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    Today, in a welcome exposition, Dennis Prager makes the very same point about the contemporary enemies of America.
    1. "Why does the left lie?

    There are two main reasons.

    One is that leftists deem their goals more important than telling the truth.

    2. For example, every honest economist knows women do not earn 20 percent less money than men for the same work done for the same amount of hours under the same conditions. Yet leftists repeat the lie that women earn 78 cents for every dollar men earn. Why any employers would hire men when they could hire women and get the same amount of work done at the same level of excellence for the same number of hours while saving 20 cents on the dollar is a question only God or the sphinx could answer.

    3. ...when New York Times columnists write this nonsense, do they believe it? The answer is they don't ask themselves, "Is it true?" They ask themselves, "Does the claim help promote the left-wing doctrine that women are oppressed?" Whatever serves that end is morally justified.

    4. The second reason is leftism is rooted in feelings, not reason or truth. From Karl Marx to Bernie Sanders, left-wing preference for socialism over capitalism is entirely rooted in emotion. Only capitalism creates wealth. Socialism merely spends what capitalism creates. Do leftists not know this? Even if they know it, the emotional pull of socialism prevails. And what of the lies about Europe being socialist? Last I checked, government did not run industry the way that true socialist countries like Venezuela and North Korea do. What kind of variant socialism people like Bernie and AOC speak of, God only knows.

    5. Do leftists believe there are more than two sexes? Of course not. That's why they renamed "sex" "gender" -- and then redefined "gender" to mean whatever one wants it to mean. Additionally, they insist that wanting to become another gender is not a disorder, no, it's dysphoria, as if that is any different. Makes no sense.

    So then, on the left, truth is subservient to two higher values: doctrine and emotion.

    Do those on the left believe their lies?"
    Explaining the Left, Part VI: Do Leftists Believe What They Say?

    6. "Do leftists believe global warming will destroy the world as we know it in 12 years, as recently suggested by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

    Here's a simple proof that the left is lying about the imminent threat of global warming to civilization: Leftists don't support nuclear power. It is simply not possible to believe fossil fuel emissions will destroy the world and, at the same time, oppose nuclear power.

    Nuclear power is clean and safe. Sweden, a model country for leftists, meets 40 percent of its energy needs with nuclear power. If you were certain you were terminally ill yet decline a medicine that is guaranteed to cure you, the rest of us would have every reason to assume you didn't really believe you were terminally ill."

    But alas, their appeal is that they smile and say that they want to take from the rich and give to the poor, a universal appeal that even Hitler exploited. Then accuse your opponents of doing everything you are doing, such as lying, which is what Joe Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister, was a professional at doing.

    But do we really believe that now "rich" people like AOC and Bernie Sanders really want to share their wealth with people like me?

    Hell no!
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    20 Feb '19 19:16
    @whodey said
    Today, in a welcome exposition, Dennis Prager makes the very same point about the contemporary enemies of America.
    1. "Why does the left lie?

    There are two main reasons.

    One is that leftists deem their goals more important than telling the truth.

    2. For example, every honest economist knows women do not earn 20 percent less money than men for the same work done ...[text shortened]... eople like AOC and Bernie Sanders really want to share their wealth with people like me?

    Hell no!
    I thoroughly enjoyed this rationale and common sense and logic . Thanks to you and Dennis Prager. If they stop being so emotional (wetting their beds) this country could continue being the greatest Country and economy that has ever existed in the world. Instead, they want to bring the country down. I don’t get it . Maybe they can enlighten us in this thread, but maybe keep the personality of Trump out of it? I am as conservative as they come, and yet I’m not crazy about his personality either.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    I thoroughly enjoyed this rationale and common sense and logic . Thanks to you and Dennis Prager. If they stop being so emotional (wetting their beds) this country could continue being the greatest Country and economy that has ever existed in the world. Instead, they want to bring the country down. I don’t get it . Maybe they can enlighten us in this thread, but may ...[text shortened]... ut of it? I am as conservative as they come, and yet I’m not crazy about his personality either.
    Dennis is a real treat. You should listen to his show. He methodically takes positions and breaks them down logically.

    He never gets upset, and when confronted with an opposing view is OK with it so long as they are logical.
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    @whodey said
    Dennis is a real treat. You should listen to his show. He methodically takes positions and breaks them down logically.

    He never gets upset, and when confronted with an opposing view is OK with it so long as they are logical.
    "Why does the left lie?"

    Wow, such logic. Much thoughtful.
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    20 Feb '19 21:56
    @kazetnagorra said
    "Why does the left lie?"

    Wow, such logic. Much thoughtful.
    Kazet, all cynicism aside, tho I like cynicism, surely you cannot day the logic of Prager?
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Kazet, all cynicism aside, tho I like cynicism, surely you cannot day the logic of Prager?
    sorry,,,,,deny
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Kazet, all cynicism aside, tho I like cynicism, surely you cannot day the logic of Prager?
    I hear they ban him on sites like Youtube for such insights.
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    @whodey said
    Today, in a welcome exposition, Dennis Prager makes the very same point about the contemporary enemies of America.
    1. "Why does the left lie?

    There are two main reasons.

    One is that leftists deem their goals more important than telling the truth.

    2. For example, every honest economist knows women do not earn 20 percent less money than men for the same work done ...[text shortened]... eople like AOC and Bernie Sanders really want to share their wealth with people like me?

    Hell no!
    “...every honest economist knows women do not earn 20 percent less money than men for the same work done for the same amount of hours under the same conditions.”

    For “honest economist” read “true Scotsman” and it makes perfect sense.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/08/01/are-women-paid-less-than-men-for-the-same-work


    “In a petition, female presenters said this was evidence that women at the BBC are paid less than men “for the same work”. If that were true for the company as a whole, it would make the BBC an outlier. Although the average woman’s salary in Britain is 29% lower than the average man’s, the bulk of that gap results from differences in rank within companies, firms’ overall compensation rates and the nature of the tasks a job requires. According to data for 8.7m employees worldwide gathered by Korn Ferry, a consultancy, women in Britain make just 1% less than men who have the same function and level at the same employer. In most European countries, the discrepancy is similarly small. These numbers do not show that the labour market is free of sex discrimination. However, they do suggest that the main problem today is not unequal pay for equal work, but whatever it is that leads women to be in lower-ranking jobs at lower-paying organizations.”

    Edit: This may be too subtle a distinction for some. It concedes the point that pay is equal for equal work, but holds to the point that women tend to have “lower-ranking jobs at lower-paying organizations”.

    Whatever is it that leads women into this situation?
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    @js357 said
    “...every honest economist knows women do not earn 20 percent less money than men for the same work done for the same amount of hours under the same conditions.”

    For “honest economist” read “true Scotsman” and it makes perfect sense.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/08/01/are-women-paid-less-than-men-for-the-same-work


    “In a petition, female presenters sa ...[text shortened]... but whatever it is that leads women to be in lower-ranking jobs at lower-paying organizations.”[/b]
    If that were true, I would then think that companies would only want to hire women.

    Why do they then hire men? Do they just like paying more?
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    @js357 said
    “...every honest economist knows women do not earn 20 percent less money than men for the same work done for the same amount of hours under the same conditions.”

    For “honest economist” read “true Scotsman” and it makes perfect sense.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/08/01/are-women-paid-less-than-men-for-the-same-work


    “In a petition, female presenters sa ...[text shortened]... ranking jobs at lower-paying organizations”.

    Whatever is it that leads women into this situation?
    Either prove that two people who do are hired on the same day with the same credentials are payed differently or stop bitching. If women take more time off, because they are more likely to be caretakers or they sacrifice certain income for jobs that appeal to them then they should be paid less.
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    @quackquack said
    Either prove that two people who do are hired on the same day with the same credentials are payed differently or stop bitching. If women take more time off, because they are more likely to be caretakers or they sacrifice certain income for jobs that appeal to them then they should be paid less.
    Non sequitur. The fact that women are devalued in the economic system in the US is really non-controversial among non-liars (of which Praeger isn't one).

    Learn something: https://www.bustle.com/p/8-wage-gap-statistics-to-shut-down-any-haters-48441

    Here's a nice WSJ article saying that men tend to get promoted to managerial positions in their thirties over equally qualified women: https://www.wsj.com/articles/gender-wage-gap-widens-at-age-32-report-finds-1466537493 (guess which gender the majority of those who are making the promotion decisions are?)
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    calm down.

    what is truth has no value where politics is concerned.

    politics is about agenda and power.

    calm down.

    there are those who see the world as you do not see it. there are those who see it as you see it.

    there are those who see something else.

    calm down.

    politics is not life.

    calm down.
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    @whodey said
    Today, in a welcome exposition, Dennis Prager makes the very same point about the contemporary enemies of America.
    1. "Why does the left lie?

    There are two main reasons.

    One is that leftists deem their goals more important than telling the truth.

    2. For example, every honest economist knows women do not earn 20 percent less money than men for the same work done ...[text shortened]... eople like AOC and Bernie Sanders really want to share their wealth with people like me?

    Hell no!
    2) Has a really simple answer: The majority of those making employment hires are men and many do not believe that women are equal to men. It's called "bias" and pretending it doesn't exist seems to be a full time job for right wing propagandists like Praeger. The same argument was conclusively debunked about 50 years ago as regards to racial discrimination in employment with right wingers insisting it was impossible when everyone with eyes could tell it was endemic.

    Here's a good article based on a research study: https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/why-employers-favor-men
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    @mister-moggy said
    calm down.

    what is truth has no value where politics is concerned.

    politics is about agenda and power.

    calm down.

    there are those who see the world as you do not see it. there are those who see it as you see it.

    there are those who see something else.

    calm down.

    politics is not life.

    calm down.
    Mister Moggy, this site would not be near as fun if the libs, (who are the ones who don't calm down, who are incited by libs to riot) didn't chime in with their half-baked illogical and lack-of-rationale ideas and opinions and projections (they tell us why and how people 'think',.. the reasons Donald does stuff,,,one of the ingredients of liberalism). So, calmness is the last thing I want. Bring it!!!, as my 8-year old wrestler tells me!!!
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    @no1marauder said
    2) Has a really simple answer: The majority of those making employment hires are men and many do not believe that women are equal to men. It's called "bias" and pretending it doesn't exist seems to be a full time job for right wing propagandists like Praeger. The same argument was conclusively debunked about 50 years ago as regards to racial discrimination in employment w ...[text shortened]...
    Here's a good article based on a research study: https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/why-employers-favor-men
    Hey,,,,Marauder.... I am the last poster who would direct people to websites....not very proper debate protocol, wouldn't you say? But, I am going to ask you to go to the Prager website and find ONE thing that is wrong, disagreeable, irrational, illogical. Why, you indeed may find same. If you do, sling it over here and let us have it. Seriously, a great debate awaits. We will pretend we are sitting in an Irish Pub.
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