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Originally posted by utherpendragon
that doesnt apply to stealing classified documents. there are proper channels to go through. FOIA
That leaves the government the sole, unreviewable judge of what information it wants to give to the people. That can hardly be what the Framers had in mind.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
There's various federal laws covering such behavior but they are considered "frauds" or "invasions of privacy" rather than "thefts".
Would you say that it is wrong to steal information even if it may not be illegal?

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Originally posted by no1marauder
That leaves the government the sole, unreviewable judge of what information it wants to give to the people. That can hardly be what the Framers had in mind.
What if the information was key to national defense? What would the Founding Fathers said about national defense?

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Originally posted by no1marauder
That leaves the government the sole, unreviewable judge of what information it wants to give to the people. That can hardly be what the Framers had in mind.
In matters of National security I would say yes.

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Originally posted by whodey
What if the information was key to national defense? What would the Founding Fathers said about national defense?
Printing presses shall be subject to no other restraint than liableness to legal prosecution for false facts printed and published." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft of Virginia Constitution, 1783. ME 2:298, Papers 6:304


Chew on that.

You know what the Framers would have thought about the US having a large standing army, spending more on "defense" than the rest of the world COMBINED, invading and occupying two foreign nations for almost a decade, etc. etc.

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Originally posted by utherpendragon
In matters of National security I would say yes.
I'm sure YOU would.

I'm sure the Framers wouldn't.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
practically irrelevant for indeed one just man can become an army, you people despise the snake because it has no horns, but cannot say that it will not become an dragon.
huh?

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Printing presses shall be subject to no other restraint than liableness to legal prosecution for false facts printed and published." --Thomas Jefferson: Draft of Virginia Constitution, 1783. ME 2:298, Papers 6:304


Chew on that.

You know what the Framers would have thought about the US having a large standing army ...[text shortened]... the world COMBINED, invading and occupying two foreign nations for almost a decade, etc. etc.
Of course, we are talking about two different issues here. We are discussing the person or persons who leaked the information and those that simply publish it. Although the later may not have broken any laws, clearly the former has. I suppose you could view it like a pawn shop of sorts. Having said that, I would also think that the government is free to conduct cyber terror on those who conduct it on them. Would you consider this legal as well?

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I heard that this guy may go after the Banks. Is he on crack? I mean, going after the US government is one thing, but I would think going after the banks is worse that going after Al Capone. 😲

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Originally posted by no1marauder
What does the "Freedom of the Press" and the First Amendment prohibiting infringements of it mean to you?

From what I understand, no actual documents were stolen anyway; files on computers were simply downloaded.
Are you saying its ok to hack into government computers and download their files?

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Originally posted by quackquack
Are you saying its ok to hack into government computers and download their files?
apparently so. in the world of radical progressives it would be just fine to hack into it all. put it all on line.
launch codes for our missiles, location of our secret subs, specs on prototypes of our new planes, tanks,etc.
its all good! its in the spirit of "what the framers intended"🙄

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Originally posted by quackquack
Are you saying its ok to hack into government computers and download their files?
Depends on what you do with it if by "OK" you mean "not morally blameworthy".

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Originally posted by utherpendragon
apparently so. in the world of radical progressives it would be just fine to hack into it all. put it all on line.
launch codes for our missiles, location of our secret subs, specs on prototypes of our new planes, tanks,etc.
its all good! its in the spirit of "what the framers intended"🙄
Loony non sequitur. Was any of that done here?

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Originally posted by whodey
Of course, we are talking about two different issues here. We are discussing the person or persons who leaked the information and those that simply publish it. Although the later may not have broken any laws, clearly the former has. I suppose you could view it like a pawn shop of sorts. Having said that, I would also think that the government is free to conduct cyber terror on those who conduct it on them. Would you consider this legal as well?
The Framers broke all kinds of laws.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
Loony non sequitur. Was any of that done here?
what if it was or is done in the future? how would you view that?