Woman's right to self-autonomy...ceases

Originally posted by dottewell
So it is an innate belief that is neither true nor not true? Not knowledge, I guess, and something you say there is no evidence for & which cannot be shown or assumed.

Surely your rational mind tells you such a belief is worthless. Yet that you feel it is important and needs to be shared. Why?

Do you think there are standards of proof that turn a hypothesis into a fact? Is gravity a fact or a hypothesis?

Wrong forum; this thread is not about an esoteric, philosophical discussion akin to the one in Spirituality. This thread is supposed to be about a woman's right to self-autonomy: whether it exists at all and if so, under what circumstances it can be overriden particulary as regards the issue of criminal laws against abortion. Your "interesting" discussion about what are "REALLY" facts is off-topic.

Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
The zygote is a living parasite. This is not a belief but a fact.

So is a tapeworm; can a woman have it removed from the confines of her body? Could the government make it a crime to have surgery to remove a tapeworm based on it being a "living organism" that had "distinct genetic characteristics" from its host?

Originally posted by dottewell
So it is an innate belief that is neither true nor not true? Not knowledge, I guess, and something you say there is no evidence for & which cannot be shown or assumed.

Surely your rational mind tells you such a belief is worthless. Yet that you feel it is important and needs to be shared. Why?

Do you think there are standards of proof that turn a hypothesis into a fact? Is gravity a fact or a hypothesis?

We have had a long discussion about this dotewell and I could ask you the same question about your belief and you will be without an answer...

Gravity is a proven fact that can be observed to be true, but I think you already understand this...

Originally posted by no1marauder
Please give a direct answer.

No I do not support a law against abortion. You already knew I was an anarchist, so you could have known the answer already.

Originally posted by no1marauder
So is a tapeworm; can a woman have it removed from the confines of her body? Could the government make it a crime to have surgery to remove a tapeworm based on it being a "living organism" that had "distinct genetic characteristics" from its host?

Of course the govenment could do this and approve this using false reasoning. (read my "A new religion is born tread of an example of this reasoning)

Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
Of course the govenment could do this and approve this using false reasoning. (read my "A new religion is born tread of an example of this reasoning)

I wasn't asking if the government had the physical power to do it, of course it does. My questions are based on the system of government presently existing in the US which is philosophically based on a limited government who's main purpose is to protect fundamental rights. Can criminal laws banning abortion and tapeworm removal be promulgated consistent with that philosophy? That's what I want to address.

Originally posted by zebano
As much as you would like to think otherwise, that is not a fact.

Obvious example: If I punch someone, what I have done with my body does concern others and they should take steps to punish me.

No. That's a whole other issue. Your right to throw a punch ends where another man's nose begins.

And No1 already answered this I see. Ok, moving on...