@earl-of-trumps saidThen I ask the government to initiate force to make him pay me back.
@AThousandYoung said -
No, trespassers are not initiating force. If the landlord ignores them he is not forced to do anything.
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So what happens if your neighbor smashes the windshield of your car in?
Your neighbor did not exert any force onto you, right?
It's obvious humans have to have property rights. And yes, trespassing is a form of initiating violence
I’m not the one saying initiation of force is always bad.
Personal property rights (e.g. the car I drive to work) and private property rights (the cars on the lot at my car rental business) are not the same thing by the way.
Also trespassing is not analogous to vandalism.
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@athousandyoung saidThe guy that broke the window was the initiator, the goobermints use of force is a response to the initiation of force. If the guy didn't smash the window i.e. initiate force there would be no need for a response.
Then I ask the government to initiate force to make him pay me back.
I’m not the one saying initiation of force is always bad.
Personal property rights (e.g. the car I drive to work) and private property rights (the cars on the lot at my car rental business) are not the same thing by the way.
Also trespassing is not analogous to vandalism.
The initiation of force threats of force and fraud is the prime evil, it's never Ok. Every human has a right to live free from force, threats of force and fraud.
ATY said:
"Also trespassing is not analogous to vandalism."
Both are an initiation of force as is going 'hands on' on a person.