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  1. 26 Feb '11 01:23 / 1 edit
    'Yet Again, Another Example of Our Republican Friends Standing Up for the Insurance Companies'

    Nancy Pelosi adressing the House on the issue of national health care:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfhBTWVMgUE&feature=channel

    Wonderful speech.

    She is great and ... more important ... she is right !
  2. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    26 Feb '11 02:14 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    'Yet Again, Another Example of Our Republican Friends Standing Up for the Insurance Companies'

    Nancy Pelosi adressing the House on the issue of national health care:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfhBTWVMgUE&feature=channel

    Wonderful speech.

    She is great and ... more important ... she is right !
    Sorry to say you are right. Republicans worship Insurance, Oil, Drug, and Financial companies up above Jesus Christ. The average American employee be dammed! They'll spend 50 million bucks to cheat the average worker out of a nickel.

    The GOP and there spin doctors have cast the average American employee as a lazy, stupid, overpaid socialist, malcontent, hellbent on destroying the capitalist system, and the rich as kind, honest, benovelent, god fearing saints, and the protectors of a fine, pure, christian nation....(excuse my while I throw up!!)
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    28 Feb '11 16:57
    Originally posted by bill718
    Sorry to say you are right. Republicans worship Insurance, Oil, Drug, and Financial companies up above Jesus Christ.
    You know, I think you're right.

    I'm a Republican and I would place all of those things above Jesus Christ.

  4. 28 Feb '11 17:10
    Originally posted by sh76
    You know, I think you're right.

    I'm a Republican and I would place all of those things above Jesus Christ.

    c'mon, the Christians must've got some things right.

    they defeated the Germans!

    i know the Germans thought they were Christians, too. wasn't Hitler going to abolish religion when he had a chance? (having already replaced it with state religion and cult worship.)
  5. 28 Feb '11 17:26
    If Congress wants to fix the health insurance problem, then they'll outlaw anything but catastrophic health care insurance. Force doctors to charge less so that people can actually receive service at a decent price!

    This "I can charge and arm and a leg since that's what insurance will pay" which then leads to insurance companies claiming "medical costs are so high that you must have insurance no matter how much we charge you" is a bunch of crap. It totally circumvents the supply and demand model.

    Until this country comes to grip with health care costs, there is no solution for the health care problems.
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    28 Feb '11 17:53
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    c'mon, the Christians must've got some things right.

    they defeated the Germans!

    i know the Germans thought they were Christians, too. wasn't Hitler going to abolish religion when he had a chance? (having already replaced it with state religion and cult worship.)
    Are you seriously trying to model WWII as Christian Allies vs non-Christian Axis???

    You know, the USSR was officially atheist. The USA has that separation of church and state thing. England didn't like the available forms of Christianity and made their King the new Pope.

    Italy was on the other side...the Holy Roman Empire was the so-called "second Reich"...there's a book called "Hitler's Pope"...
  7. 28 Feb '11 18:05
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Are you seriously trying to model WWII as Christian Allies vs non-Christian Axis???

    You know, the USSR was officially atheist. The USA has that separation of church and state thing. England didn't like the available forms of Christianity and made their King the new Pope.

    Italy was on the other side...the Holy Roman Empire was the so-called "second Reich"...there's a book called "Hitler's Pope"...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_in_Nazi_Germany

    The Christian festival of Christmas was celebrated in Nazi Germany, although with variations from traditional practice. It was referred to as "Julfest".

    ...

    Nazi ideologists claimed that the Christian elements of the holiday had been superimposed upon ancient Germanic traditions.[1] They argued that Christmas Eve originally had nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ, but instead celebrated the winter solstice and the 'rebirth of the sun',[1] that the swastika was an ancient symbol of the sun, and that Santa Claus was a Christian reinvention of the Germanic god Odin. Accordingly, holiday posters were made to depict Odin as the "Christmas or Solstice man", riding a white charger, sporting a thick grey beard and wearing a slouch hat, carrying a sack full of gifts. Other changes were made to the manger, which was replaced by a Christmas garden containing wooden toy deer and rabbits; Mary and Jesus were also depicted as a blonde mother and child.[1]

    The Christmas tree was also changed. The traditional names of the tree, Christbaum or Weihnachtsbaum, was renamed in the press as fir tree, light tree or Jul tree. The star on the top of the tree was sometimes replaced with a swastika, a Germanic "sun wheel" or a Sig rune.[1][2] During the height of the movement, an attempt was made to remove the association of the coming of Jesus and replace it with the coming of Adolf Hitler, referred to as the "Saviour Führer".[1]

    Christmas carols were also changed. The words to "Silent Night" were changed so it made no reference to God, Christ and religion.[1] Words were also changed to the hymn "Unto Us a Time Has Come" so as to remove references to Jesus. The modified version of the hymn is still sung in modern-day Germany.[2][3] Shop catalogues containing children's toys made available during the holiday season regularly featured toy tanks, fighter planes and machine guns. As a sign of appreciation, Heinrich Himmler frequently gave SS members a Julleuchter ("Yule lantern", a kind of ornate Germanic candlestick, some of which were made at Dachau concentration camp.[1][4] Housewives were prompted to bake biscuits in the shape of birds, wheels and swastikas for their children.[5]

    By 1944 the movement to remove Christian influences from Christmas lessened as the government concentrated more on the war effort.[1][5]
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    28 Feb '11 18:10 / 3 edits
    Nazis had (and still do have) a range of beliefs from Protestantism to Ariosophy to Odinism. What it came down to was they were an ethnic power. Protestantism is pretty deeply embedded in Germanic culture. Different Nazis had different opinions.

    Western allies also had wide ranging religious beliefs or the lack of them.

    Christmas was indeed a pagan Germanic holiday that the Christians adopted and modified, as they did many pagan holidays. To recognize it as it originally was is not the same as rejecting Christianity.
  9. 28 Feb '11 18:36 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    c'mon, the Christians must've got some things right.

    they defeated the Germans!

    i know the Germans thought they were Christians, too. wasn't Hitler going to abolish religion when he had a chance? (having already replaced it with state religion and cult worship.)
    Didn't Germany really start to exist after the 1871 Frano-Prussion War.
  10. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    28 Feb '11 19:37
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    c'mon, the Christians must've got some things right.
    I'm just kidding around. No offense intended to any Christians, of course, for whom I have the utmost respect.