02 Oct 04
In Guantanamo bay, the guards have a procedure known as ERFing (Emergency Response Force).
Earlier this year, a military policeman volunteered to test the procedures within Guantanamo Bay. He played the part of an obstructive in-mate refusing to co-operate with the guards.
He received a vist from the ERF team who only stopped beating him when his orange prison clothes tore, revealing his military uniform beneath.
He now suffers from seizures due to resulting brain damage and is sueing the authorities.
Any comments on this. Are people aware of this practise?
02 Oct 04
Originally posted by howardgeeWell...it serves them right for being illegal combatants.
In Guantanamo bay, the guards have a procedure known as ERFing (Emergency Response Force).
Earlier this year, a military policeman volunteered to test the procedures within Guantanamo Bay. He played the part of an obstructive in-mate refusing to co-operate with the guards.
He received a vist from the ERF team who only stopped beating him when his oran ...[text shortened]... mage and is sueing the authorities.
Any comments on this. Are people aware of this practise?
Oh wait. That term doesn't really exist. Maybe the government is morally corrupt?
02 Oct 04
Originally posted by howardgeeDumb guy.
In Guantanamo bay, the guards have a procedure known as ERFing (Emergency Response Force).
Earlier this year, a military policeman volunteered to test the procedures within Guantanamo Bay. He played the part of an obstructive in-mate refusing to co-operate with the guards.
He received a vist from the ERF team who only stopped beating him when his oran ...[text shortened]... mage and is sueing the authorities.
Any comments on this. Are people aware of this practise?
Why impersonate a killer of children? And hope not to be harmed by warriors?
02 Oct 04
Originally posted by howardgeeCould we have a source on this?
In Guantanamo bay, the guards have a procedure known as ERFing (Emergency Response Force).
Earlier this year, a military policeman volunteered to test the procedures within Guantanamo Bay. He played the part of an obstructive in-mate refusing to co-operate with the guards.
He received a vist from the ERF team who only stopped beating him when his oran ...[text shortened]... mage and is sueing the authorities.
Any comments on this. Are people aware of this practise?
03 Oct 04
Originally posted by howardgeeI tried to find it but couldn't...it seems bogus to me...cooked up by anti-military kooks...could I be wrong?..sure, but I doubt it. The military would never place a member in such an absurd predicament without close supervision, either live or with video. As soon as it looked like it was getting out of hand, they would intervene and halt the test...at least they should! Hey, I could be wrong..but I won't believe it unless I see news or pictures, etc...can you provide a direct website or link?
Financial Times newspaper, 27th August 2004.
03 Oct 04
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Originally posted by chancremechanicOn the FT's web site search, the article that is being referred to appears as the fifth search result when "overdue process" is entered, "all words in headline" is selected, and "3 months" is selected. To read the article on the site, however, requires a subscription.
I tried to find it but couldn't...it seems bogus to me...cooked up by anti-military kooks...could I be wrong?..sure, but I doubt it. The military would never place a member in such an absurd predicament without close supervision, ...[text shortened]... news or pictures, etc...can you provide a direct website or link?
The article is actually reproduced here: http://www.mail-archive.com/ip@v2.listbox.com/msg02616.html
I suspect the part that is being referred to in the thread creator's post is the following para:
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Evidence of the brutality of “Erfing” came from Sean Baker, a member of a military police unit who was assigned to duty in Guantanamo. In January 2003, he volunteered to play the part of an unco-operative prisoner for an ERF training exercise. He wore an orange jumpsuit and the squad was unaware that he was not a detainee. The beating only stopped, he says, when his jumpsuit was torn open and his military uniform beneath revealed, by which time he had suffered brain damage and is now subject to seizures. Baker has sought legal advice.
05 Oct 04
So, no Americans out there wish to condemn this approach to prisoners in camp X-ray.
As long as this attitude prevails, expect more beheadings of your citizens in Iraq.
After all, if you cannot observe basic human rights, how the hell can you expect the "uncivilised" Islamic militants to?
05 Oct 04
Originally posted by howardgeeYou expect that if conditions are improved for the prisoners at Gitmo, then the people in Iraq who are beheading hostages will stop doing so to reciprocate out of their innate sense of fairness?
So, no Americans out there wish to condemn this approach to prisoners in camp X-ray.
As long as this attitude prevails, expect more beheadings of your citizens in Iraq.
After all, if you cannot observe basic human rights, how the hell can you expect the "uncivilised" Islamic militants to?
05 Oct 04
Originally posted by howardgeeHate to admit it, but I agree with #1. It is not America that has caused these criminals to pursue their methods.
So, no Americans out there wish to condemn this approach to prisoners in camp X-ray.
As long as this attitude prevails, expect more beheadings of your citizens in Iraq.
After all, if you cannot observe basic human rights, how the hell can you expect the "uncivilised" Islamic militants to?
05 Oct 04
Originally posted by no1marauderPossibly.
You expect that if conditions are improved for the prisoners at Gitmo, then the people in Iraq who are beheading hostages will stop doing so to reciprocate out of their innate sense of fairness?
Certainly they would find less support amongst the arab world for their outrages if America ceased to be so outrageous themselves.
05 Oct 04
Originally posted by howardgeeYou think the level of support in the Arab world for an American occupation of Iraq is contingent on how the US military treats prisoners at Gitmo?
Possibly.
Certainly they would find less support amongst the arab world for their outrages if America ceased to be so outrageous themselves.