Originally posted by howardgee"When you have a despot oppressing his own people, such as in N Korea, then the West and US SHOULD intervene to allow democracy to flourish." QUOTED BY HOWARDGEE.
When you have a despot oppressing his own people, such as in N Korea, then the West and US SHOULD intervene to allow democracy to flourish.
America ought to have attacked the taliban as soon as they destroyed the Buddhist statues or even before given their treatment of women and non-conformers.
Of course it may have helped if the US had not armed and trained the Osama and the Taliban against Russia in the first place!!
What!!? Isn't that what we're doing in Iraq?
And, you want American lives sacrificed for a rock carving of Buddah? Are you insane?...don't answer that; you don't have to...what an asinine suggestion...
The US trained Osama and his ilk to help defeat Russia, a more formidable foe back in the 80s...or were you even around then..if not, go read some History books and de-ignoramous yourself...🙄
Originally posted by steerpikeIf saying the truth puts you out on the fringe, then that's where I'll hang out. Check out this site:
I agree you are not one of the lunatics who think all trade is run by a tiny conspiracy. Believing several thousand individuals run world trade puts you safely out there on the fringe.
My economic reasoning is primitive. If I want something made in the US, I have to steal it, beg it or buy it. If buying, an American wants to be paid in US dollars, not f ...[text shortened]... a company or a country. And I am afraid to admit I have not got far past these simple concepts.
http://globalpolicy.igc.org/socecon/tncs/top200.htm
It concentrates on the top 200 corporations in the world which is even a smaller section then I was talking about but two tidbits for you:
1. The 200 largest corporations control more than one-quarter of the world's economic activity; and
2. One-third of world trade are transactions between various units of the same corporation.
So keep playing with the traditional "widgets" of ECO 100 or listening to two hundred year old drivel about "comparative advantage"; that ain't how the economic game is played anymore (if it ever was, which is doubtful). The new reality is that a relatively small group of rich guys want to run the whole ball of mud and they're willing to use the US military as their personal Pinkertons to do so. So if you want to get on a soapbox, try yelling that instead of "America bad".
Originally posted by howardgeeSo let me get this straight: the brutal treatment accorded some of the prisoners completely inflames the rest of the world aginst the United States so what we should do in the world so we're liked better is invade countries with despots as leaders, kill tens of thousands of their people and occupy them long enough for "democracy" to flourish?? Somehow I don't think that's how we'll win the "Miss Congeniality" contest in the world. Besides, it's being done to death and more death and more death. And cutting off food aid to countries having famine conditions so that millions of people can starve to death because their government is "despotic" is a odd moral position for someone to have who started this thread to complain about the brutal treatment of a few prisoners!!!!!
Well the problem is that once the dictatorial regime has its food aid, it can divert resources away from food production and into other schemes like creating nuclear capability.
Throwing food aid at countries does bugger all to help its citizens in the long term as we have seen time and time again in Africa.
When you have a despot oppressing his own ...[text shortened]... f the US had not armed and trained the Osama and the Taliban against Russia in the first place!!
Originally posted by howardgeeNo. I think the guards should beat the crap out them every morning for PT.
Any Americans out there going to condemn this treatment of prisoners?
Or do you all believe that a complete disregard for human rights and the Geneva convention is a fitting punishment for terrorist suspects - guilty or not?
Originally posted by steerpikeI wasn't aware that New Zealand had any troops in Iraq?
We got our troops out last week - can't see us going back for a while. I think hoping for support for Iraq is hoping a bit too much - that is one you got into all by yourself, against the advice of your allies. Perhaps next time your diplomats are advised to think and plan, your Government will be a little more receptive.
There is more to the world tha ...[text shortened]... tion and elections, Iranian and North Korean nuclear weapons. All need nations to work together.
Originally posted by chancremechanicWith Iraq, America did the right thing, but for the wrong reasons.
"When you have a despot oppressing his own people, such as in N Korea, then the West and US SHOULD intervene to allow democracy to flourish." QUOTED BY HOWARDGEE.
What!!? Isn't that what we're doing in Iraq?
And, you want American lives sacrificed for a rock carving of Buddah? Are you insane?...don't answer that; you don't have to...what a ...[text shortened]... or were you even around then..if not, go read some History books and de-ignoramous yourself...🙄
They claimed WDM's were present and ready to use against the west. A lie.
They claimed links to Al Quaeda with Iraq. Lie; in fact Hussein was oppressing the religious fanatics who now bomb the Allied troops!
The real links to Al Quaeda were with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. But Americans including Daddy Bush are doing good business with these countries, so no chance of invading these countries!
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Originally posted by slimjimSixty engineeers were deployed in Basra for six months up to the end of September. Their task was reconstruction and their weapons were only to protect themselves.
I wasn't aware that New Zealand had any troops in Iraq?
Showing the flag to provide support for allies and their presence was symbolic only. A few combat troops are still in Afghanisitan.
Originally posted by howardgeeOf the seven released from Guantanamo, and returned to Afghanistan... two are dead in fire fights in the act of killing twenty two civilians trying to vote... one currenty is on tv threatening to behead a chinese engineer who dared to try and restore water and sewer to the people, three have made video's of jihad against the people of afghanistan and one is in France.
In Guantanamo bay, the guards have a procedure known as ERFing (Emergency Response Force).
Earlier this year, a military policeman volunteered to test the procedures within Guantanamo Bay. He played the part of an obstructive in-mate refusing to co-operate with the guards.
He received a vist from the ERF team who only stopped beating him when his oran ...[text shortened]... mage and is sueing the authorities.
Any comments on this. Are people aware of this practise?
fox news report. Oct 12, 2004
Who's side are you on howard?
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Originally posted by howardgeeBecause the US courts determined that there was not sufficient evidence to hold them. The charges were dropped. They went home courtesy of the US military.
Hang on, why were they released in the first place then?
Not only is Guantanamo brutal and immoral, but it also releases guilty people.
What a complete farce!
[PS this assumes Fox News to be accurate. Isn't G.W. Bush's cousin involved with the network?]
Ain't law a bitch. You live and die by it.
As to Fox News... It's a matter of public record. Go look it up. Like you care.
Here is the first... You find the rest. If you have the guts. Which I doubt.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133581,00.html
And the most recent...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,135176,00.html
<edit> Then ask us why only Fox News satisfies truth. You won't find this in the Media of The Princes... ie, the "elite" media. Is there any "liberal bias"? Really? Can you ask it with a straight face?
Here is the most silly quote from the last post...
"Shah also has said they are prepared to let the kidnappers leave the area without the hostages."
Why?
So they can do what?
I think if you are an Aussie or an American... you might understand the "Why" of it.
So that what? It can happen again? Or obtain a noble result?
Duh!
If you are from Socialist Europe... Sorry. There ain't no way of 'splainin. You just have to go on with your simple notions that the US is evil.
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So, you want to use a Fox web site to justify a Fox news story!
Ever understood the word specious?
Why would Europeans not understand what the US and Australia people know? What are you talking about?
You really are ignorant if you think Europe is socialist!
However, you do know all about being gutless; being too cowardly to even reveal where you live.
Originally posted by steerpikeWell I stand corrected and I thank them for their support.
Sixty engineeers were deployed in Basra for six months up to the end of September. Their task was reconstruction and their weapons were only to protect themselves.
Showing the flag to provide support for allies and their presence was symbolic only. A few combat troops are still in Afghanisitan.
Originally posted by steerpikeWell I stand corrected. I thank them for their support.
Sixty engineeers were deployed in Basra for six months up to the end of September. Their task was reconstruction and their weapons were only to protect themselves.
Showing the flag to provide support for allies and their presence was symbolic only. A few combat troops are still in Afghanisitan.