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  1. Zugzwang
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    05 Jun '17 04:332 edits
    This thread's title comes from lyrics by the Beatles (in a nod toward pop culture).

    "But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao.
    You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow.
    Don't you know it's gonna be
    All right, all right, all right."
    --The Beatles

    "The Soviet Union proved capable of generating extensive growth in
    industrial production and of building up a defence sector, but much less
    capable of competing with capitalism once the latter shifted towards
    more intensive forms of production and towards ‘consumer capitalism’.
    In this respect the record of the Chinese Communists in promoting their
    country to the rank of a leading economic and political world power was
    far more impressive than that of the regime on which it broadly modelled
    itself. Indeed, as the 21st century advances, it may come to seem that
    the Chinese Revolution was the great revolution of the 20th century."
    --S.A. Smith (_Russia in Revolution: An Empire in Crisis, 1890 to 1928_)
    (published 2017 by Oxford University Press)
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    05 Jun '17 06:55
    Maybe John Lennon chose those lyrics simply because 'Chairman Mao' provided a neat rhyme to 'anyhow'

    What do you think?

    Does

    'If you go carrying pictures of Vladimir Lenin
    You ain't going to make it with anyone ever ag....ain'

    have quite the same impact?
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    05 Jun '17 12:11
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    This thread's title comes from lyrics by the Beatles (in a nod toward pop culture).

    "But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao.
    You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow.
    Don't you know it's gonna be
    All right, all right, all right."
    --The Beatles

    "The Soviet Union proved capable of generating extensive growth in
    industrial producti ...[text shortened]... in Revolution: An Empire in Crisis, 1890 to 1928_)
    (published 2017 by Oxford University Press)
    How many revolutions must we endure until mankind realizes that the problem is that we cannot divorce ourselves?
  4. Germany
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    05 Jun '17 12:27
    Just like the United States will never catch up with the Nordics unless they implement democratic reforms, China will never catch up with the United States until they implement democratic reforms. An ineffective government lacking in accountability puts limits on economic growth.
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    05 Jun '17 12:28
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Just like the United States will never catch up with the Nordics unless they implement democratic reforms, China will never catch up with the United States until they implement democratic reforms. An ineffective government lacking in accountability puts limits on economic growth.
    Catch up with the Nordics?

    I'd be learning Arabic if I were you.
  6. Zugzwang
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    05 Jun '17 21:40
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Just like the United States will never catch up with the Nordics unless they implement democratic reforms, China will never catch up with the United States until they implement democratic reforms. An ineffective government lacking in accountability puts limits on economic growth.
    "China will never catch up with the United States until they implement democratic reforms."
    --KazetNagorra

    I expect that most Chinese are relieved that Donald Trump's not their leader now.
    My point is that China should not aspire to copy the USA as a model of democratic government.
  7. Zugzwang
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    05 Jun '17 21:44
    Originally posted by Blood On The Tracks
    Maybe John Lennon chose those lyrics simply because 'Chairman Mao' provided a neat rhyme to 'anyhow'

    What do you think?

    Does

    'If you go carrying pictures of Vladimir Lenin
    You ain't going to make it with anyone ever ag....ain'

    have quite the same impact?
    'Lenin' happens to be pronounced close to 'Lennon'.
    If 'Lenin' were in the lyrics, it could be sort of rhymed with 'women' and take off from there!
    If 'Chairman Mao' were rhymed with 'Holy cow!', it could appeal more to Hindus!
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    05 Jun '17 21:564 edits
    Hmmm

    You show an understanding of great pop/rock songs from the 70s

    The extremely clever Don McLean song 'American Pie' used exactly the same couplet

    ' while Lenin read a book on Marx
    The quartet practiced in the park'

    Lenin = Lennon (didn't take much for McLean to sing 'Lennon'. )

    Quartet = Beatles (often thought a reference to their Abbey Road outside jam)

    I always wondered who the 5th Beatle was if John was reading a book on Marx!

    (I would add Marx and park is a v poor rhyming couplet!)
  9. Behind the scenes
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    06 Jun '17 14:48
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    This thread's title comes from lyrics by the Beatles (in a nod toward pop culture).

    "But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao.
    You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow.
    Don't you know it's gonna be
    All right, all right, all right."
    --The Beatles

    "The Soviet Union proved capable of generating extensive growth in
    industrial producti ...[text shortened]... in Revolution: An Empire in Crisis, 1890 to 1928_)
    (published 2017 by Oxford University Press)
    Duchess - In reading your posts, I must admit, I do agree with a great many of them. It's a sad thing that once someone makes your 'enemies list' they never seem to be able to get off of it.
  10. Subscribersonhouse
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    06 Jun '17 18:14
    Originally posted by Blood On The Tracks
    Hmmm

    You show an understanding of great pop/rock songs from the 70s

    The extremely clever Don McLean song 'American Pie' used exactly the same couplet

    ' while Lenin read a book on Marx
    The quartet practiced in the park'

    Lenin = Lennon (didn't take much for McLean to sing 'Lennon'. )

    Quartet = Beatles (often thought a reference to t ...[text shortened]... if John was reading a book on Marx!

    (I would add Marx and park is a v poor rhyming couplet!)
    Marks and parks works though. It would imply they did it in several locations.....
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    06 Jun '17 18:562 edits
    nope, definately 'park'

    he uses it to rhyme with 'dark' (as in 'we sang dirges in the dark) on the next line
  12. Zugzwang
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    06 Jun '17 20:121 edit
    Originally posted by mchill
    Duchess - In reading your posts, I must admit, I do agree with a great many of them.
    It's a sad thing that once someone makes your 'enemies list' they never seem to be able to get off of it.
    The troll Mchill resents my pointing out that he's a tireless pathological liar (including today).

    "I'm not blaming anyone for anything."
    --Mchill (6 June 2017, to Suzianne)

    On 31 May 2017, Mchill created the thread "Liberals: much of this is your fault."
    "...much of the blame for the situation we have today can be laid on the doorstep of the Liberals."
    --Mchill (31 May 2017)

    The troll Mchill apparently expects to be able to lie at will without being criticized for it.
  13. Zugzwang
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    06 Jun '17 20:211 edit
    Originally posted by whodey to KazetNagorra
    Catch up with the Nordics?
    I'd be learning Arabic if I were you.
    Learning Arabic is more complex than the ignorant Whodey apparently assumes.

    1) Modern standard Arabic is taught in school to Westerners. It's used officially in Arab societies.
    But practically nobody uses it in everyday conversation.
    2) Everyday Arabic (spoken from Morocco to Oman) has many diverse dialects.
    3) Classical Arabic (the language of the Quran) is different further.

    A person can spend years learning modern standard Arabic at university and still
    struggle to hold a basic conversation with native speakers of local dialects.

    For further (entertaining) reading:
    _All Strangers Are Kin: Adventures in Arabic and the Arab World_
    by Zora O'Neill (an American woman who spent years studying Arabic at university).
  14. Subscribersonhouse
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    06 Jun '17 20:26
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Learning Arabic is more complex than the ignorant Whodey apparently assumes.

    1) Modern standard Arabic is taught in school to Westerners. It's used officially in Arab societies.
    But practically nobody uses it in everyday conversation.
    2) Arabic (spoken from Morocco to Oman) has many diverse dialects.
    3) Classical Arabic (the language of the Quran) i ...[text shortened]... Arab World_
    by Zora O'Neill (an American woman who spent years studying Arabic at university).
    I bet you speak Arabic, right? And a few more.
  15. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    07 Jun '17 07:49
    Originally posted by mchill
    Duchess - In reading your posts, I must admit, I do agree with a great many of them. It's a sad thing that once someone makes your 'enemies list' they never seem to be able to get off of it.
    Yes I agree.
    I defended her (him/it) on occasions but then we had an argument over grammar
    (which she lost) and I was discarded to the "enemy" basket.

    It is a pity that someone with worthwhile
    things to say also has the time to spout nonsense.

    And to save Duchess time: ...

    The troll Wolfgang59 shows little reading comprehension ... blah blah ... sexist, bigot.
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