Originally posted by no1marauderI didn't say anything about RZA's motivations for doing so. Again you make up your own strawmen so you can cope with your inconsistencies.
I doubt that RZA considers that he is acting against racist stereotypes; I'm sure he just thinks he is doing something worthy. That you only see it from the point of view of racist stereotypes is hilarious and a bit sad.
I mentioned such stereotypes because it's what your friend Kirksey impersonates. RZA's actions do not fit such stereotypes and thus they break them. This is irrespective of RZA's motivations for acting so.
You rant about me mentioning such stereotypes here (even insinuating that doing so makes me partially racist), yet you support kirksey's blackface act.
Sad indeed.
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Originally posted by PalynkaIt is senseless to talk about someone "breaking stereotypes" when the person so doing doesn't care one whit about the stereotype - as most rational people don't. Not everybody shares your fixation with such matters and measures other people's acts by whether they conform to your ideas about how they should act to "break stereotypes". If the stereotype is false as you admitted then most acts by the stereotyped person are going to "break the stereotype".
I didn't say anything about RZA's motivations for doing so. Again you make up your own strawmen so you can cope with your inconsistencies.
I mentioned such stereotypes because it's what your friend Kirksey impersonates. RZA's actions do not fit such stereotypes and thus they break them. This is irrespective of RZA's motivations for acting so.
You rant ...[text shortened]... ing so makes me partially racist), yet you support kirksey's blackface act.
Sad indeed.
Now you've added Ivanhoe's "strawman" bit to the TSM attacks on kirksey. Can't you do any original "thinking"?
Your mindset is truly weird if you think that lampooning racist stereotypes and stereotypical thinking is in anyway inconsistent with thinking that RZA is doing a worthy thing. What actual "logic" do you use to reach such a strange conclusion?
Originally posted by no1marauderevery time i read one of your posts... i want those moments of my life back.
It is senseless to talk about someone "breaking stereotypes" when the person so doing doesn't care one whit about the stereotype - as most rational people don't. Not everybody shares your fixation with such matters and measures other people's acts by whether they conform to your ideas about how they should act to "break stereotypes".
Now you' ...[text shortened]... a worthy thing. What actual "logic" do you use to reach such a strange conclusion?
Originally posted by no1marauderBy God, you do love your fallacies. The 'bits' ivanhoe uses or what form the TSM attacks take are irrelevant to the argument and it's fallacious to imply so. Perhaps you should ask Scribbles for some lessons?
It is senseless to talk about someone "breaking stereotypes" when the person so doing doesn't care one whit about the stereotype - as most rational people don't. Not everybody shares your fixation with such matters and measures other people's acts by whether they conform to your ideas about how they should act to "break stereotypes".
Now you' ...[text shortened]... a worthy thing. What actual "logic" do you use to reach such a strange conclusion?
Kirksey cares enough about the stereotype to impersonate it. This is a fact. Evidently, I'm much less 'fixated' by such a stereotype than him, as I don't build my entire online personality around it.
Your mindset is truly weird if you think that lampooning racist stereotypes and stereotypical thinking is in anyway inconsistent with thinking that RZA is doing a worthy thing.
I did not say this and again you attack your own strawman by misrepresenting my position.
I suggest you learn how to read. Kirksey is perpetuating such stereotypes by impersonating them in a blackface act. You think this is satirical and comical. I think it's both sad and counterproductive and definitely not 'lampooning stereotypes'.
If an American here pretended for years to be Portuguese, while acting like the negative stereotype that xenophobes associate my countrymen with, then I'd be offended. I don't give a crap if he thinks that's the best way to fight them.
Originally posted by no1marauderyou havnt been on topic for awhile.
You keep reading them so obviously they are worth reading to you. You even feel it a worthwhile use of your time to make posts bickering about it rather than staying on the thread's topic.
the topic is RZA making a chess website for HHCF with waitzkin and janard to try and get kids thinking.
i fail to see the racism discussion being valid.
Originally posted by PalynkaWhen you use the same rhetorical tricks as such irrational persons, it shows your lack of critical thinking skills. It is not "fallacious" at all to point this out as my argument does not rest at all on the fact that you have similar thinking skills as Red Night and Ivanhoe; it's just a curious, unfortunate fact.
By God, you do love your fallacies. The 'bits' ivanhoe uses or what form the TSM attacks take are irrelevant to the argument and it's fallacious to imply so. Perhaps you should ask Scribbles for some lessons?
Kirksey cares enough about the stereotype to impersonate it. This is a fact. Evidently, I'm much less 'fixated' by such a stereotype than him, as I ...[text shortened]... 'd be offended. I don't give a crap if he thinks that's the best way to fight them.
Your "thinking" (such as it is) is of little consequence to me. Satire directed at racial and other stereotypes is a common way of showing their falsity and absurdity. That some people are so lacking in a sense of humor or so self-righteous that they can't understand this is their failing, not the ones ridiculing the stereotype.
I suppose if you were Irish you would have been offended by Swift's A Modest Proposal. So be it; some people just don't get it.
Originally posted by AdoreaTalk to Pal; he thinks that RZA is "breaking stereotypes" by doing so. Addressing the idea of the falsity of stereotypes and why RZA and anybody else doesn't have to "break" them is my point.
you havnt been on topic for awhile.
the topic is RZA making a chess website for HHCF with waitzkin and janard to try and get kids thinking.
i fail to see the racism discussion being valid.
Originally posted by no1marauderAgain you fail to address ANYTHING I've posted and go on to attack some other argument you've chosen as a misrepresentation of my position. Textbook straw man fallacy.
When you use the same rhetorical tricks as such irrational persons, it shows your lack of critical thinking skills. It is not "fallacious" at all to point this out as my argument does not rest at all on the fact that you have similar thinking skills as Red Night and Ivanhoe; it's just a curious, unfortunate fact.
Your "thinking" (such as i ...[text shortened]... ave been offended by Swift's A Modest Proposal. So be it; some people just don't get it.
Regarding your 'new' arguments: Kirksey simply impersonates a stereotype. Satire is much more than that. If it wasn't, then blackface acts would be satirical but since we all know they are not, then clearly your defense of kirksey is invalid. Proof by contradiction.