Originally posted by A7This is such a big delema.When I was younger I was Anti.Very,very anti.Now I have moved to a position.It is not to do with religion.It is about morals.Hope this helps a little bit.
i have to do debate on the pro's and con's of abortion. i am on the PRO abortion, please if u have a view or any good material help me. anything is welcome. THANKU
Lyn.
Originally posted by A7It seems to me a good beginning if you start with your argument(s) that drives YOU to the PRO side. By the way, are you a man or woman?
i have to do debate on the pro's and con's of abortion. i am on the PRO abortion, please if u have a view or any good material help me. anything is welcome. THANKU
Fjord
look at the rights of the people who don't want to be pestered by having to look after a little kid. especially the "mother" - but also the "father" (tongue in cheek here, i love looking after my son)
also consider the situations of very sick babies unlikely to have a "good" life.
and the case of abortion after rape - would the child end up like daddy?
Originally posted by fjordHow can gender be significant?We are talking life or death for an unborn person.The Mother has rights.The Father has rights too.The new life has rights.
It seems to me a good beginning if you start with your argument(s) that drives YOU to the PRO side. By the way, are you a man or woman?
Fjord
is abortion is a womans right to choose? hhmm, this is a huge debate asi'm sure you're well aware. I'm not so sure how much some women are informed about their choice to abort. there has recently been a case in the media where an abortion was carried out 28 weeks into the pregnancy. do you know why? because the baby had a cleft palet. The reason to termiinate wasn't because she didn't want a baby it was because the baby had a mild disability. a disability that could have been operated on. An abortion can't be carried out legally after 16-20 weeks unless....yes wait for it....a scan or test shows signs of the baby having downs syndrome, c.p. or other disabilities. what message does this put across....could abortion be used as a form of eugenics. basically i think in this case to carry out the abortion was wrong. Bad ethics and bad morals.
Originally posted by wucky3I think the first post was very clear.The muddy waters you can take us to, is valid but is off topic to the the post.
is abortion is a womans right to choose? hhmm, this is a huge debate asi'm sure you're well aware. I'm not so sure how much some women are informed about their choice to abort. there has recently been a case in the media where an abortion was carried out 28 weeks into the pregnancy. do you know why? because the baby had a cleft palet. The reason to termiin ...[text shortened]... basically i think in this case to carry out the abortion was wrong. Bad ethics and bad morals.
Originally posted by missleadhow , my remarks were relevant to how abortion isn't a simple " yes i agree" or "no i disagree" argument. but as usual as was pointed out in a previous thread about shipman you see everything as a clearcut black or white issue with no grey area. if you have read the papers recently ( and i don't mean the daily mirror) you would realise that screening and abortion has been a huge issue recently
I think the first post was very clear.The muddy waters you can take us to, is valid but is off topic to the the post.
Originally posted by missleadWe are talking about a fetus that is developing into human a being in the womb of woman.
How can gender be significant?We are talking life or death for an unborn person.The Mother has rights.The Father has rights too.The new life has rights.
I do think that women have a bit more to say about it than men (I'm a man). That doesn't exclude us, man, at all.
My question in my first post arose because the opening post was unclear to me. Is the poster PRO or does (s)he has to play to be PRO?
And what does PRO mean? There are numerous shades between PRO and CON.
Fjord
Originally posted by wucky3Try again.I agreed with you.That is a different debate.I said muddy waters.Glad you are a clear reader of my posts.
how , my remarks were relevant to how abortion isn't a simple " yes i agree" or "no i disagree" argument. but as usual as was pointed out in a previous thread about shipman you see everything as a clearcut black or white issue with no grey area. if you have read the papers recently ( and i don't mean the daily mirror) you would realise that screening and abortion has been a huge issue recently
I think their are basically 4 situations to consider
1) Inconvenience - is it right to allow abortion because the baby will be inconvenient to the mother? I don't believe that women in this situation really appreciate what they are doing. Do they understand (or are they even told) what the foetus looks like at 16 weeks? It is not just a 'ball of cells'. Are they told of the long term pychological effects and guilt that many women suffer in later life. If it is so inconvenient then why not give the baby up for adoption? This 'too hard'? The so called 'easier' way out may turn out to be the worst option of all (particularly for the foetus). I'm not pretending that women do this lightly but I do think that the facts and options should be spelled out more thoroughly to them.
2) Rape - A very difficult one. I'm really not sure about this at all - but it's not the baby's fault how it was conceived.
3) Handicap - There are many handicapped people in the world who bring joy and benefits to the world. Some overcome great difficulties and are an inspiration. Would it have been better if they had been killed in the womb. Severe handicap, where the child may suffer greatly or even die is another difficult case. My own son was severely deformed and died shortly after birth 12 years ago. I can't say what we would have done if we had known at 16 weeks that this would happen.
4) Danger to the mother - If the pregnancy would put the mother's life at risk then I think that abortion would be justified.
The pro abortion argument seems to centre now on the 'woman's right to choose'. This baffles me - but then I am not a woman. Apparently the man has no rights. I believe that if a women gets pregnant following a consensual sexual act then, barring extreme circumstances, she should have to live with that and her primary concern should then be for the unborn child. How can it be in the baby's interests to be killed?
Originally posted by wucky3The topic is pros and cons of abortion.You brought in that I have views about Capital punishment.That is off topic.You named Shipman.That does not push this very important debate forward.
you said it was off topic..i'm saying it isn't. what are you on?🙄
The woman has a right to choose. Yes, but that choice lies before the conception. After the conception the result of her choice is alive and well. Nobody has the right to kill an innocent life. No woman, no man, no doctor. Nobody has the right to deny someone the right to live.
How can there be peace in a society when that same society allows women to kill their own children. If there is no peace in the womb, then there cannot be peace in the head.
Society should give more help to women who find themselves pregnant and are not willing to receive the child. They often lack material and psychological support from partner, friends and family. I'm convinced that in the case of a woman receiving more significant support from whatever side, she would be more inclined to deciding to accept her child and raise it in a loving way.
If the mother really does not want to raise the child then adoption is the best way to go. By family or by others. Also in this case society should improve the procedures and possibilities of adopting a child succesfully.
Everything must be done to protect the lives of innocent children and everything must be done to prevent a situation in which a woman sees herself forced to kill her own child.
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Originally posted by ivanhoeAgreed.what rights for the father?Hope does it come down to a woman's decision before conception? you say so.
The woman has a right to choose. Yes, but that choice lies before the conception. After the conception the result of her choice is alive and well. Nobody has the right to kill an innocent life. No woman, no man, no doctor. Nobody has the ...[text shortened]... s no peace in the womb, then there cannot be peace in the head.
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