13 Apr 09
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Originally posted by muppymanLOL! No they won't, they'll probably just have itchier trigger fingers now.
Perhaps a percentage of the pirates will now say "Oooooohhh, wait a minute, these guys are playing for keeps. Maybe we should find another game.
These guys aren't scared to pay the price.
Sure, the MIGHTY US of A could wipe the current pirates out if they sent their navy in there, but that wouldn't stop the conveyor belt of poverty stricken guys there trying their luck at piracy and a the possibility of a better life.
In Africa (or just off the coast), crime pays...
13 Apr 09
Originally posted by CrowleyStephen Decatur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Decatur
LOL! No they won't, they'll probably just have itchier trigger fingers now.
These guys aren't scared to pay the price.
Sure, the MIGHTY US of A could wipe the current pirates out if they sent their navy in there, but that wouldn't stop the conveyor belt of poverty stricken guys there trying their luck at piracy and a the possibility of a better life.
In Africa (or just off the coast), crime pays...
Read about the 2nd Barbary War. Same continent, different coast.
13 Apr 09
Originally posted by ParShooterThe situation is hardly similar. At that time, the pirates operated with the permission and assistance of the local governments and treaties could be forced upon those leaders effectively ending the vast majority of (government sponsored) piracies.
Stephen Decatur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Decatur
Read about the 2nd Barbary War. Same continent, different coast.
There is no effective government in Somalia today (thanks largely to Western meddling). Therefore, the pirates are just criminal gangs. Absent some sort of convoy system (which is hardly practicable given the vast amounts of shipping that goes through the area), there is little that military operations can do to end this type of piracy.
13 Apr 09
Originally posted by no1marauderNot to worry. The US will get sucked in, by either the UN or a bunch of tin horned African dictators, to invading Somalia's main land, or air strikes against the pirates on shore. We'll kill innocents in the process and the world will hate us even more. No sense for the US to be the Policeman in this situation. It's every country for themselves. Yes #one, the US is responsible for these pirates in the first place.....right? No way Obama will get involved in this!
The situation is hardly similar. At that time, the pirates operated with the permission and assistance of the local governments and treaties could be forced upon those leaders effectively ending the vast majority of (government sponsored) piracies.
There is no effective government in Somalia today (thanks largely to Western meddling). Theref ...[text shortened]... s through the area), there is little that military operations can do to end this type of piracy.
GRANNY.
13 Apr 09
Originally posted by no1marauderI agree. There needs to be a viable government in place. Surely that would be cheaper and more effective?
The situation is hardly similar. At that time, the pirates operated with the permission and assistance of the local governments and treaties could be forced upon those leaders effectively ending the vast majority of (government sponsored) piracies.
There is no effective government in Somalia today (thanks largely to Western meddling). Theref ...[text shortened]... s through the area), there is little that military operations can do to end this type of piracy.
How can that going to happen, though?
13 Apr 09
Originally posted by buffalobillGuess the African nations will have to solve that problem. The US will just make it worse. Maybe the Chinese could be of some help.
I agree. There needs to be a viable government in place. Surely that would be cheaper and more effective?
How can that going to happen, though?
GRANNY.
13 Apr 09
Originally posted by buffalobillThere was a government in place. Unfortunately, it was too Islamic for the West. There is no likelihood that a government will come to power in Somalia that is pro-Western. So the West needs to adjust its thinking as regards the acceptability of an Islamic government which might be willing to crack down on the piracy as part of a treaty.
I agree. There needs to be a viable government in place. Surely that would be cheaper and more effective?
How can that going to happen, though?
13 Apr 09
Originally posted by no1marauderSimple solution...just send a decoy ship that is fully armed down the pike once in a while. Once they see that the possibility of having one of their little boats being blown to smithereens is real, there might be a little hesitation on attacking the next one. They have already stated that all American and French ships are fair game from now on.....so its Game On.
There was a government in place. Unfortunately, it was too Islamic for the West. There is no likelihood that a government will come to power in Somalia that is pro-Western. So the West needs to adjust its thinking as regards the acceptability of an Islamic government which might be willing to crack down on the piracy as part of a treaty.