Originally posted by sasquatch672Originally posted by sasquatch672
What made this year's Tour for me was Landis' legendary win in Stage 17. I was reading back through the Stage 16 articles, and every one of them said, "Landis' hopes are over", "Perhaps he can still win a podium place", "Landis' dream ended today", and then a day later he completes what was probably the greatest individual day the Tour's ever seen. To ...[text shortened]... ugh word - legendary ride. That day will not soon be forgotten in the sport.
That day will not soon be forgotten in the sport.
How right you are - for all the wrong reasons though.
So a Spanish GC also-ran will be credited with the win... how stupid must the likes of Kloden feel for giving him 30 minutes on that one stage?
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Originally posted by millermanTrue, but if he hadn't taken drugs he'd probably never have even made the team. I'm not defending it, just saying he's probably not the only one.
Poor Show landis, very poor 😞
And yes, somebody said about Pantani etc. It goes further than that, very many ex-cyclists struggle with their health for years after retiring.
I grew up watching cycling in the days of Hinault and Fignon to those of Indurain, Rominger, Riis, Pantani, Ullrich. For what it's worth, in spite of Lemond and Armstrong I still see cycling as a European sport. I can't justify that, I hope people don't see it as racist, but I'm pleased that a Spaniard has (probably) won the event this time. Next year surely Basso, if they sort the mess out and let him ride.
Originally posted by asromacalcioWhat I want to know is if there is an anti-american jihad going on, since the french have been unstintingly against Lance since he started. So have they singled out Landis as Armstrongs successor and therefore will stop at nothing to get him discredited? I would like to know whether in all sports what these testosterone levels are, that is to say are there any athletes who naturally come by scores supposedly registered by Landis? Surely there is a bell curve and I would like to see the probabilities of various levels.
I grew up watching cycling in the days of Hinault and Fignon to those of Indurain, Rominger, Riis, Pantani, Ullrich. For what it's worth, in spite of Lemond and Armstrong I still see cycling as a European sport. I can't justify that, I hope people don't see it as racist, but I'm pleased that a Spaniard has (probably) won the event this time. Next year surely Basso, if they sort the mess out and let him ride.
Originally posted by RookRAKi was in kitzbuhel, austria last summer. the discovery b team, for some random reason, cycled up the kitzbuheller horn (the mountain that makes the kitzbuhel resort eligible for world-cup skiing). the lift to the top takes something like 32 minutes. they beat it by 5 mins.
Drugs or no drugs, I've really gotten caught up in Le Tour over the last 3 years. What phenomenal athletes.
I find it almost unbelievable that any athlete can compete at such a high level of exersion for 5-6 hours in 95F heat, for three weeks. The pain they clearly endure, the focus, and the drive, are inspiring.
I'm happy that Landis won, but not beca ...[text shortened]... om almost 10 minutes down was as courageous an achievement as you'll ever seen in any sport.
me, i was lazy and just got the lift to the top of the Hahnenkamm and cycled down it. twice. the scariest two cycle rides of my life...
Originally posted by sonhouseThey detected synthetical testosteron.
What I want to know is if there is an anti-american jihad going on, since the french have been unstintingly against Lance since he started. So have they singled out Landis as Armstrongs successor and therefore will stop at nothing to get him discredited? I would like to know whether in all sports what these testosterone levels are, that is to say are there ...[text shortened]... andis? Surely there is a bell curve and I would like to see the probabilities of various levels.
Originally posted by Red NightNot yet but the mechanism is in place. What I would like to see is a test that would let him compete when he had no steroids and see if his athletic level was reduced. I would like to see a chart that says, yes, if he took X amount of steroids he would have Z amount of increased stamina. If he had been French, would he have undergone this level of scrutiny?
i'm actually asking. Did the guy cheat? Did they take the title away from him?
Originally posted by sonhouseYes, because the last thing cycling needs at the moment is another high profile cheat.
Not yet but the mechanism is in place. What I would like to see is a test that would let him compete when he had no steroids and see if his athletic level was reduced. I would like to see a chart that says, yes, if he took X amount of steroids he would have Z amount of increased stamina. If he had been French, would he have undergone this level of scrutiny?
Originally posted by sonhouseLandis's first sample indicated a high amount of testosterone. So the second sample is tested. What many people don't realize is that the second test is different. They test to see if it contains synthetic testosterone. It did. Therefore there can be no doubt that Landis cheated.
What I want to know is if there is an anti-american jihad going on, since the french have been unstintingly against Lance since he started. So have they singled out Landis as Armstrongs successor and therefore will stop at nothing to get him discredited? I would like to know whether in all sports what these testosterone levels are, that is to say are there ...[text shortened]... andis? Surely there is a bell curve and I would like to see the probabilities of various levels.
It's not a matter of just an elevated level now, it's actually provable that he has testosterone that wasn't generated by his body inside his system.
And as for bias, all competitors are subjected to the same tests. Landis wasn't singled out, he singled himself out by getting caught.