06 Dec 03
Originally posted by ivanhoeI don't believe animals have rights in the fundamental way that humans do. If they did, we wouldn't ever have a right to eat them or experiment on them and in my view we do. But I also believe that humans have a responsibility to look after animals well and that doesn't happen in the food industry - hence I'm a vegetarian.
Should animals have rights ?
My answer to this question is: yes !
Especially the animals in the bio-industry should be treated better.
What are your thoughts on this matter ?
I'm much more relaxed about the use of animals in research though, both because there are strict regulations governing the way that experimental animals are treated and because medical research relies totally on the use of animals, whereas it's perfectly possible to survive without being a carnivore. Also, the number of animals used for research is only a tiny fraction of the number eaten each year, so it doesn't seem worth getting too het up about.
Rich.
06 Dec 03
Originally posted by CrowleyCan dogs do your job? If not, would you recommend Dog Burgers as well?
Until a monkey can do my job I say they have the right to be minced and fried, put on a bun with relish, cheese and maybe even some gherkins and mustard.
Yummy.
Originally posted by Bookworm
Monkey burgers all around!!
Ranjana
06 Dec 03
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Originally posted by CrowleyDoes everyone, who cannot do your job deserve such barbaric treatment?
Until a monkey can do my job I say they have the right to be minced and fried, put on a bun with relish, cheese and maybe even some gherkins and mustard.
Yummy.
Or would you like to be treated like this if you cannot do MY job?
... then at least one sarcastic Verrueckter less would run around!
Michael
06 Dec 03
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Originally posted by richhoeythat is a curiously self-serving argument, but fairly standard in exploitive circles: we want to do this to those, therefore let's not give them any rights.
I don't believe animals have rights in the fundamental way that humans do. If they did, we wouldn't ever have a right to eat them or experiment on them and in my view we do.
Rich.
and what's this stuff about "medical research relies totally on the use of animals". that is completely false.
perhaps i need to pull out some of the posts on the animal experimention thread you started many months ago, but i won't for now since i think ivanhoe wants this to be a general discussion on philosophical grounds.
in friendship,
prad
06 Dec 03
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Originally posted by pradtfYou can post whatever you like Pradtf as long as it is about the subject of this thread "Animal Rights" ..... 🙂
that is a curiously self-serving argument, but fairly standard in exploitive circles: we want to do this to those, therefore let's not give them any rights.
and what's this stuff about "medical research relies totally on the use of ani ...[text shortened]... neral discussion on philosophical grounds.
in friendship,
prad
06 Dec 03
Originally posted by ivanhoeok thanks ivanhoe!
You can post whatever you like Pradtf as long as it is about the subject of this thread "Animal Rights" ..... 🙂
i will put some of those posts regarding animal research up if the need comes up. they deal with the animal rights issue in an oblique fashion and are more directed towards the validity of animal research and whether there are alternatives - that is always one of the arguments used to justify the practise that there are no alternatives which is by no means true.
however, for now i will stick to the issues of animal rights and their apparent relation to monkey burgers, it would seem.
in friendship,
prad
06 Dec 03
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Originally posted by SchindlerWhatever dude.
... then at least one sarcastic idiot less would run around!
What my post does is show my position on the subject of animal rights.
I'm on the top of the food chain and although I love my two dogs and cat, the rest I see as food.
I fail to see the sarcasm really, it just a less serious attempt at making my opinion known.
Cheers
The quite smart and witty once you get to know him idiot with tongue in cheek