14 May 09
Originally posted by CrowleyHmmm, i have rather double feelings.
What is it with American cops and their bloody tasers?
http://www.phillyd.tv/2009/05/13/police-beat-up-pastor-on-camera/
Cops can be mean, but this guy is playing the victim to much, claiming he didnt resist arest...then why didnt he just open the door of the car? Isnt that resisting arest?
14 May 09
Originally posted by CrowleyI am re-posting the comment I made on the blog for this story.
What is it with American cops and their bloody tasers?
http://www.phillyd.tv/2009/05/13/police-beat-up-pastor-on-camera/
OK here is the rest of the scoop. Pastor, I do believe you would have been proven innocent in a court of law and in turn, you could have sued for false imprisonment. instead, you chose to refuse a direct command from a law enforcement officer, this constitutes resisting, and since this was an arrest being put into place, resisting arrest was the call. You are in a moving vehicle and refusing to exit, thus the use of a taser has become necessary. Your vehicle could have very easily been used as a weapon, Your actions and decisions caused the response you received. Had you cooperated, the entire matter probably would have been over sooner, and you wouldn’t have made a reason to sensationalize another brutality story.
No matter had the Pastor, just obeyed, or better still, consented to the search, his ordeal would have been over far sooner, and the damage done would have never happened.
14 May 09
Originally posted by zozozozoThis douchebag should've just complied.
Hmmm, i have rather double feelings.
Cops can be mean, but this guy is playing the victim to much, claiming he didnt resist arest...then why didnt he just open the door of the car? Isnt that resisting arest?
Hell, why put yourself through the bloody hassle when just opening your trunk will do the trick? Every time I leave the country there are cursory searches at the border - who cares?
BUT
Tasering the guy repeatedly, smacking him over the head and smashing his head into shards of glass?
It smacks of people enjoying their position of 'authority' just a little too much...
14 May 09
Originally posted by CrowleySorry I just can't see that. He pushed the cops at all levels to the breaking point by a complete refusal to cooperate no matter what.
This douchebag should've just complied.
Hell, why put yourself through the bloody hassle when just opening your trunk will do the trick? Every time I leave the country there are cursory searches at the border - who cares?
BUT
Tasering the guy repeatedly, smacking him over the head and smashing his head into shards of glass?
It smacks of people enjoying their position of 'authority' just a little too much...
Again the entire matter would have been solved had he just cooperated.
14 May 09
Originally posted by CrowleyAre these actual facts? I only heard the victim about this. Could be that he got tasered, kept resisting arest, didnt want to be dragged out the car and therefor hit his own head in the glass...
BUT
Tasering the guy repeatedly, smacking him over the head and smashing his head into shards of glass?
It smacks of people enjoying their position of 'authority' just a little too much...
14 May 09
Should he have co-operated? Yes, probably
Was he within his rights to expect his arrest to be fully explained to him? Yes, probably (I'm not au fait with American law)
Should they have used a taser on him? No, of course not. They could have easily persuaded him out of his car with some real discourse instead of reacting with extreme force to a passive person.
AS far as I can see and going just on the video, total overreaction and abuse of power. The guys lack of co-operation in no way justifies their actions.
14 May 09
Originally posted by StarrmanAgreed on all points!
Should he have co-operated? Yes, probably
Was he within his rights to expect his arrest to be fully explained to him? Yes, probably (I'm not au fait with American law)
Should they have used a taser on him? No, of course not. They could have easily persuaded him out of his car with some real discourse instead of reacting with extreme force to a pas ...[text shortened]... rreaction and abuse of power. The guys lack of co-operation in no way justifies their actions.
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14 May 09
If the guy had his way they'd still be there talking. He wanted to argue his way out of being arrested and would NEVER have given up. Screw that, cops can't sit for hours and have a long "discourse" about being arrested. When told point-blank "you're under arrest" comply or face the consequences. People who have sympathy for this idiot amaze me. Ever try to wrestle someone out of a car? Ever open a car door and hope the person inside doesn't pull a gun? Tasering the jackass was warranted.
14 May 09
Originally posted by Sam The ShamThe guy should have complied, sure. He had evidence on tape to sue or whatever later.
If the guy had his way they'd still be there talking. He wanted to argue his way out of being arrested and would NEVER have given up. Screw that, cops can't sit for hours and have a long "discourse" about being arrested. When told point-blank "you're under arrest" comply or face the consequences. People who have sympathy for this idiot amaze me. Ever t ...[text shortened]... door and hope the person inside doesn't pull a gun? Tasering the jackass was warranted.
But 6 cops tasering and beating up a completely innocent pastor is not the correct course of action here.
They could easily have smashed the window and forced open the door while having their weapons at the ready if he decided to go gangsta. Taking the maximum violence route was not necessary.
Just another reason in the file NEVER EVER to spend my tourism money in the United States of Abuse.
14 May 09
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Originally posted by zozozozoDid you watch the videos? He was incapacitated.
Are these actual facts? I only heard the victim about this. Could be that he got tasered, kept resisting arest, didnt want to be dragged out the car and therefor hit his own head in the glass...
Anyway, the cops should not have escalated to that level of violence and then nobody would have stitches and bruises...
14 May 09
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Originally posted by KJCavalierThe vehicle was NOT moving.
...moving vehicle..
If you believe that made it "necessary" for him to be hit with a taser, you have a vivid imagination IMO.
I thought the UK police were morons but it seems the yank ones take the prize for moronic-ness.
Using a taser to PUNISH someone who annoys them is a disgrace.
I'd feel safer in Moscow these days.
14 May 09
Originally posted by KJCavalierThat's ridiculous. It is the sacred duty of any respectable citizen to resist and work against the
Sorry I just can't see that. He pushed the cops at all levels to the breaking point by a complete refusal to cooperate no matter what.
Again the entire matter would have been solved had he just cooperated.
authorities as far as humanly possible when they stop over a certain border. They work for the
people. Not the other way around. And they work to keep the peace. Key word being: yeah, peace.
Now, this man didn't have to obey the police officer. To suggest otherwise is just plain dumb. They
wouldn't give a good reason for the man to step out of the car (a dog that won't even bark to
indicate it sniffed drugs is not an excellent reason), and so they had no right to do what they did. If
the law allows them to act like that, it's about time some laws be rewritten. Geez. I would never
accept a Swedish cop doing that to me. These guys should be on the other side of the law, hunted
down and put away.
I have spoken. Make it so. 😏