17 Jul 11
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Originally posted by divegeesterThat depends on what kind of society you want to live in. If you were to remove these constraints though and anarchy were to prevail, I'm sure that in time some kind of hierarchical structure would form again. It is human nature to empathise with other humans and this emapthy within most of us, tells us that it is wrong to hurt each other, which seems paradoxical to the savage within us all. It is like a battle between reason and instinct. Some times we can be conditioned to accept savagery by means such as propaganda and desensitizing people to the actual reality of our actions, such as in times of war or as per the original topic 'in the name of science'.
So the question is then: are those things you listed needed?
Generally we accept suffering caused if it is in the best interst of our clique, be that a small group in a survival situation, a country at war or all of our species trying to advance itself as a whole.
17 Jul 11
The real problem is suppression of intelligence, it is just easier and cheaper to use animals in such horrendous ways (easier and cheaper very rarely ends with good data).
Initially, there was no choice, but now there is (for intelligent scientists who are not pretending to be one).
There are many ways to skin a cat, excuse the pun.
17 Jul 11
Originally posted by WoodgieI think a lot of has to do with negative puiblicity. Companies do offer to handsomely remunerate people to do tests on them. Then you get what happened a few years ago. Remember those few people who had serious adverse reactions to some medication being tested on them? There heads swelled up like ballons and it was all over th tabloids. Doesn't look good does it?
The real problem is suppression of intelligence, it is just easier and cheaper to use animals in such horrendous ways (easier and cheaper very rarely ends with good data).
Initially, there was no choice, but now there is (for intelligent scientists who are not pretending to be one).
There are many ways to skin a cat, excuse the pun.
Now if the same thing happened to some cats or mice or whatever? Throw them in the bin, burn them, no one is any the wiser to the true horror of it.