In the"Quotes you like" Thread 170521 Torunn posted this:
"When two people meet, each one is changed by the other so you've got two new people." ~ John Steinbeck
Is it really so?
In fact I think the quote hits on a truth, that we often ignore: We are constantly changing. But we ourselves think of ourselves as absolutely stable. We also change our history in our memeory to fit with our current state.
But if we think (and I do hope we do) we change our views (even if by minute quantities). If we talk we also do.
Some conversations will reinforce our thoughts and views and some will change considerably. But for most people there are few moments of sudden change (Damascus experiences) where the direction changes by a vast angle.
@ponderable saidWithout changing we would find it hard to take part in social life, and these aren't big changes but the small adaptations to make us fit in. And even more so in close relationships to make them work.
In fact I think the quote hits on a truth, that we often ignore: We are constantly changing. But we ourselves think of ourselves as absolutely stable. We also change our history in our memeory to fit with our current state.
But if we think (and I do hope we do) we change our views (even if by minute quantities). If we talk we also do.
Some conversations will reinfor ...[text shortened]... are few moments of sudden change (Damascus experiences) where the direction changes by a vast angle.
@torunn saidHealthy humans are malleable by others they form relationships with, how much depends on the nature of the relationship.
Without changing we would find it hard to take part in social life, and these aren't big changes but the small adaptations to make us fit in. And even more so in close relationships to make them work.
With respect to all posters; isn’t this kind of obvious; that we are changed by people we interact with on a relationship level?
I wonder if these changes are involuntary and what the dynamic may be between voluntary and involuntary changes in ourselves brought about by others.
Permenancy also is a question; people are often seen reverting to a previous type of themselves when coming out of a relationship.
Interesting stuff.
Thanks Ponderable and Torunn
@divegeester saidAnd then there’s the baggage, the stuff we find hard to get rid of.
Permenancy also is a question; people are often seen reverting to a previous type of themselves when coming out of a relationship.
@drewnogal saidNot least the baggage, and our recollection of experiences which is hardly ever factual - they live in our minds perhaps totally different to how others remember them.
And then there’s the baggage, the stuff we find hard to get rid of.
We let go of friends or lose friends, we change.
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@ponderable saidIn 'Of Mice and Men,' it is not so, and we have the twins as proof. This poses another identity question: Which of the two is Lennie?"
In the"Quotes you like" Thread 170521 Torunn posted this:
"When two people meet, each one is changed by the other so you've got two new people." ~ John Steinbeck
Is it really so?
There is a nice song which came from the meeting of two minds, Andrew Lloyd Webber & Tim Rice, which expresses the sentiment of having been changed by a specific meeting. However, some will argue that only one person's identity was changed.
@divegeester saidWow. You can't stand it, can you?
With respect to all posters; isn’t this kind of obvious; that we are changed by people we interact with on a relationship level?
I wonder if these changes are involuntary and what the dynamic may be between voluntary and involuntary changes in ourselves brought about by others.
Permenancy also is a question; people are often seen reverting to a previous type of themselves when coming out of a relationship.
Interesting stuff.
Thanks Ponderable and Torunn
@divegeester saidIt may be best to go to your Clan Leader and see if he will explain it to you, if he is even following the conversation. 🙂
Can’t stand what?
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