Looking at the games, why would Incompetent accept the draws?
It looks to me like he is obviously winning at least one game.
In game 62591 he is ahead a bishop and a pawn and has what looks
to me as better position. If I were Incompetent (pun intended) I
certainly wouldn't accept that game as a draw it looks very winnable.
Better players could probably look at your other game 62590 and say
whether it's a draw or not. Would depend on skill of the two players.
Incompetent obviously doesn't think the game is a draw, which means
you'll need to continue playing until you either win, lose, or force him
to believe its a draw.
If you get it down to king vs king and he doesn't accept the draw, then
complain.
I'd advise you continue playing or resign.
Otherwise, Incompetent could easily feel your asking for a draw is just
a cheap and rude way to delay your eminent losses. All depends on
ones perspective.
And no, I don't know Incompetent.
MAG
I would have to agree with maggoteer on this point - In both games
incompetent definitely has a chance of winning - In 62590 he has a
free pawn next move to take with the rook, and then things start to
look hairy for R Kelly - In the other game surely the extra bishop will
prove too strong in the end...
I'm not an expert player (as you can tell from my rather poor win-loss
record), but it seems to me that this is the situation.
Ps, I don't know incompetent either ;-)
Om my god!!! You mean for years my parents lied to me about my
name? It's NOT Michael, it's really David????? I'm shocked, truly
shocked! Dismayed even!!
My whole life a terrible lie, crumbling in ruins about me! Stripped of
my identity, my self,my soul, in one fell moment by the cold and cruel
Mr Dosset, an evil man (named Julia??? Now I'm even more
confused???) who cares little about the long lasting pyschological
damage he/she/it does to an innocent message-poster.
But, I suppose I should really thank "Mr" Dosset; as hard as it is to
accept, it is better for me to know I am actually a David, rather than a
Michael. I will embrace my new identity, and go forward!
And maybe as a David, I'll play better chess than I do now 🙂
Hmm, now there's a good thought.....
Time to go find some more caffeine.
What is your definition of cheating? I have not looked at the games
you are referring to. If incompetent want to play to a checkmate that
is his choice. Or he can play it out to the 50 half move draw that is his
choice. Cheating is something completely different. If as you say it is
an obvious draw situation, consider yourself superior to your
opponent. He may not see it as a draw. It is not cheating.
John
PS: Cheating in chess is a very strong word.
How about looking at the two games R Kelly is talking about? At least
to me, and I'm not the greatest player, but the more I look at them,
the more I realize that R Kelly is the one LOSING both games.
They are nowhere near being the draws he claims they are. I think I
was too polite with him in that last post. Your opinion?
At this point, I'd even argue this goes beyond us telling R Kelly it's
Incompetent's right to fight on, to telling R Kelly that it looks like he is
using the continued draw offers as a way to delay his OWN losses!
And THAT smacks of cheating in my book!
Perhaps he can be shamed in these public forums into playing the
games, rather than stalling with inappropriate draw offers. He's asked
for public mediation of his "problem", gotten several to say he needs
to play on, but appears to still not be willing to move.
Some of us are now waiting to see you move, R Kelly! You claim the
games are "obvious draws" - well prove it by playing them to a draw!
I'm betting Incompetent will beat you in both!
Perhaps RHP should change format so one can only make a single
(two?) draw offer per game? THAT looks like the real problem, NOT
someone refusing to accept a draw.
MAG
I have not looked at these games..I must admit. It is my fault for
hopping in on this and speaking my voice. But I agree with you. If the
game is not a "DEAD DRAW" then if the opponent wants to play it is
his RIGHT!
I hope you are not attacking me on what I said...I said fight for the
win...or draw. Never give up if you still have a chance.
I never said anything about"obvious draws"...once again..I have never
looked at these games.
Dave
Nope, wasn't attacking you at all! (and to vaknso - you're right "sore
loser" is much more accurate than "cheating". Certainly it seems to
show poor sportsmanship.)
Was feeling sorry for Incompetent for having to be in the situation
where his opponent wont move, and trying to harsh R Kelly into
PLAYING his chess games. Ah, but the stick never works does it?
Gwaihir also is reporting a problem with someone not moving but just
continually offering a draw; perhaps this is a problem needing the
fabled skills of Chris and Russ to solve.
Tha'ts the problem.
From what Gwaihir and Incompetent have said, it seems that in their
games they are being offered draws WITHOUT the opponent making
a move.
It wouldn't be an issue, only slightly annoying, if all that was
happening is at every move someone made they offered a draw. In
that case you'd just think your opponent was a harmless twit.
It sounds like the problem is much worse, that a person can halt a
game by continually offering draws instead of moving. And that's not
as it should be.
I looked at the games of mine that I've offered/accepted draws, and I
remember the draws offered INSTEAD of a move being made. At least
that's what I remember. Maybe I or my opponent could have also
moved at the same time, but I don't remember that occuring in either
case. In my case, both were mutually agreed upon draws, negotiated
by messaging while we played, so all ended happily. And in
rematches. (or will soon, eh, johnjava21?)
But it sounds like unscrupulous players can and do take advantage of
a loophole in how draw offers work here.
So it sounds like the error may be in how draws are negotiated here at
RHP.
(Now please, I don't want people to accuse me of bad mouthing Russ
and Chris, and that I'm trashtalking RHP. this site is wonderful!
They've done an amazing job. Too bad the internet bubble burst, or
I'd be wanting in on the RHP IPO!!)
If a person is just continually offering the draw in hope that the other
person will just get tired of it and accept it then that is absolutely
wrong. In USCF and FIDE when it is your turn to play and you offer a
draw your opponent has the choice of accepting it or telling you to
move. If he declines..you HAVE to move.
A draw "limit" would be wrong because you can keep asking for a draw
on the next move...and then the next..but you HAVE to move...so it
should be set..one offer per turn.
How does that sound?
Dave