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@torunn said
Isn't art - if you are an artist - your own, original expression? Not a copy of someone else's?
It should be, that is why I chose monkeys for the re-creation!

My point was questioning Ponderable's position that some skill
should be involved in the creation of art. If the Mona Lisa was
created through some natural random process surely it is still art?

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@wolfgang59 said
It should be, that is why I chose monkeys for the re-creation!

My point was questioning Ponderable's position that some skill
should be involved in the creation of art. If the Mona Lisa was
created through some natural random process surely it is still art?
As long as it is a personal artistic expression, I would probably call it art. But I can't go further than that, it's only my personal interpretation. There are experts who don't always agree, and if they do agree they may still be wrong. The impressionists were not readily accepted by the art critics, to mention some.

I am sure Drewnogal can explain this much better, being an artist herself.

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@torunn said
As long as it is a personal artistic expression, I would probably call it art. But I can't go further than that, it's only my personal interpretation. There are experts who don't always agree, and if they do agree they may still be wrong. The impressionists were not readily accepted by the art critics, to mention some.

I am sure Drewnogal can explain this much better, being an artist herself.
Oh dear, what have you started here Torunn? 🙀

Now I find myself asking if I still qualify as an artist as I’ve hardly produced anything remotely arty in the last 20 years? Ok, I’m sat in a waiting room somewhere and there’s a chunk of plasticine which I pick it up and model it into something that has some meaning for me so I want to take it home. A small child could do the same. The child makes a blob and it’s mother recognises she is making a dog. I make an abstract sort of dog with three legs and no one recognises it but it holds a lot of meaning for me. The reaction of others aren’t important because I go home and continue with the theme which leads to some drawings, then I’m out walking and see a shape in a tree trunk that reminds me of a dog’s head, so I take a pic on my phone, then I see a lovely fleecy blanket in a shop and stop to feel the texture and remember a pet I once had which makes me feel sad and I scribble some words in a notebook on it.

If there’s a persistence of a theme or an idea with an emotional response that leads on to something or things being produced then it’s art. I once had a job fettling and painting copper lustre onto jugs which were sold in Welsh craft shops. People bought them to display in their homes as a piece of art but I had no artistic involvement.

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@Torunn

This is fun to listen to, Alain de Botton ~ What is Art For?




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@drewnogal said
@Torunn

This is fun to listen to, Alain de Botton ~ What is Art For?


[youtube]ZVlQOytFCRI[/youtube]

https://youtu.be/ZVlQOytFCRI
The third point was quite challenging.
I'll ponder on that one.

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@drewnogal said
@Torunn

This is fun to listen to, Alain de Botton ~ What is Art For?


[youtube]ZVlQOytFCRI[/youtube]

https://youtu.be/ZVlQOytFCRI
I like it and spontaneously agree with most of it.

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@drewnogal said
@Torunn

This is fun to listen to, Alain de Botton ~ What is Art For?


[youtube]ZVlQOytFCRI[/youtube]

https://youtu.be/ZVlQOytFCRI
I didn't watch this yet I still wanted to weigh in.

I believe Art is primarily, and holds the most meaning, for the maker. If others catch a glimpse of meaning for themselves, or it reminds them of a scene in their own past, then all the better, and in this way we realize that we all have a place in, and a connection to, the grand tapestry of life.

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@suzianne said
I didn't watch this yet I still wanted to weigh in.

I believe Art is primarily, and holds the most meaning, for the maker. If others catch a glimpse of meaning for themselves, or it reminds them of a scene in their own past, then all the better, and in this way we realize that we all have a place in, and a connection to, the grand tapestry of life.
We need art to see beyond the usual scenery of the day. It helps us to put things in perspective but we need 'an inner eye' to see it. I look at art with my eyes and perceive it in my mind and heart.

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@Torunn

I used to love those 3D pictures, where you have to stare at a page with no apparent cohesion within the scribblings, and then the object came into focus.
Some beautiful ones were available then.
Is it a lost art form?
Is it art?

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@pawnpaw said
@Torunn

I used to love those 3D pictures, where you have to stare at a page with no apparent cohesion within the scribblings, and then the object came into focus.
Some beautiful ones were available then.
Is it a lost art form?
Is it art?
There are different kinds of art - paintings (oil, water-colour etc), sculptures, installations, architecture - so why not 3D?

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@wolfgang59 said
Those million monkeys typing for a million years ...
When they have finished the complete works of Shakespeare
what if their next project is the Mona Lisa?

Would it still be art?
Blind squirrels would lobby hard for acorn graffiti, but they'd accept a monkey Mona Lisa, eventually.

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I believe I could monetize my art, but that is not its only value to me. It is mainly freedom of expression, and in that way, as I said, the art I make is far more valuable to me than anyone else. They might enjoy it, but they can never live it.

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@wolfgang59 said
The third point was quite challenging.
I'll ponder on that one.
On that point if given the opportunity I wonder what sort of image a male life prisoner would prefer for his prison wall?

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