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Originally posted by EAPOE....is that like pulling the short straw in the crimea and then having to
Do you think/believe humans as individuals have free will?
Our brains are genetically hard wired.
We cannot choose to live and not breath.
We cannot choose to live and not feel.
We cannot choose to live and not eat.
What can we choose to do? Before you answer these question I would like to say two things if I may.
No one person alive can sa ...[text shortened]... ry if you were born five hundred years ago because you would not have been able to do it.. . . .
ride into the valley of death for king, country and florence nightengale ?...
No, I don't think there is free will in the sense that we can act randomly. We still make our own decisions, as they are determined by the material composition of our brain, but all our decisions are predetermined. I believe that all matter in the universe must act as a function; given identical imputs, the output will always be the same. Therefore, our brain, being made exclusively of matter, must behave in the same fashion: without randomness.
Any "random" number I come up with is not truly random. It appears to be random because we don't know what imputs went into our brain to produce it, but it is no more random than the throwing of a dice. Although we cannot understand the physics behind a dice's result, we know it is influenced entirely by how we threw it and its environment.
For this reason, the word "random" has no definition. We can redefine random as the appearance of being random. In that case it is possible to come up with a random number - one that appears to be random.
Originally posted by ark13...yes the brain is made of matter in the same way a piano is made of
No, I don't think there is free will in the sense that we can act randomly. We still make our own decisions, as they are determined by the material composition of our brain, but all our decisions are predetermined. I believe that all matter in the universe must act as a function; given identical imputs, the output will always be the same. Therefore, our bra ...[text shortened]... that case it is possible to come up with a random number - one that appears to be random.
matter...the symphony does not arise out of matter it arises out of mind..
mind acts on matter...the mind is what is of concern..the symphony..not
the black and white keys of the piano...i doubt that anyone can say that
mind is random...the universe is too complicated and interdependent to
have much randomness in it ( a little of course to pepper the pot ) but
randomness is tangential...
Originally posted by reinfeldTry writing coherently and I'd love to debate it with you. If you believe that we have a soul or there's a god who can influence the material world, there's nowhere I can get with you. However, if you don't hold those beliefs, I can make a strong case.
...yes the brain is made of matter in the same way a piano is made of
matter...the symphony does not arise out of matter it arises out of mind..
mind acts on matter...the mind is what is of concern..the symphony..not
the black and white keys of the piano...i doubt that anyone can say that
mind is random...the universe is too complicated and interdepende ...[text shortened]... much randomness in it ( a little of course to pepper the pot ) but
randomness is tangential...
Originally posted by ark13...the only thing you could probably make is a strong brief case...somthing to hold your briefs because you probably have an iron ass from sitting in the library so much...you are very learned...
Try writing coherently and I'd love to debate it with you. If you believe that we have a soul or there's a god who can influence the material world, there's nowhere I can get with you. However, if you don't hold those beliefs, I can make a strong case.
Originally posted by reinfeldI don't pretend to know a lot. However, I have a lot of trouble understanding you sentence structure. Your "..." takes the place of several different kinds of punctuation in your sentences, and I have trouble determining where one thought stops and the other begins. It took me several read-throughs to grasp what you were saying, and I'm still not quite sure of your points.
...the only thing you could probably make is a strong brief case...somthing to hold your briefs because you probably have an iron ass from sitting in the library so much...you are very learned...
Originally posted by ark13He said you're smart.
I don't pretend to know a lot. However, I have a lot of trouble understanding you sentence structure. Your "..." takes the place of several different kinds of punctuation in your sentences, and I have trouble determining where one thought stops and the other begins. It took me several read-throughs to grasp what you were saying, and I'm still not quite sure of your points.
Originally posted by ark13...please don't take offense at anything i say...i just run the car around the track to use up the gas...but as far is trying to figure out my sentence structure...well...this is a site for analysis...consider it a lesson in the middle
I don't pretend to know a lot. However, I have a lot of trouble understanding you sentence structure. Your "..." takes the place of several different kinds of punctuation in your sentences, and I have trouble determining where one thought stops and the other begins. It took me several read-throughs to grasp what you were saying, and I'm still not quite sure of your points.
game..it often doe not show the beginning or the end...a few moves this side of the elipsis in the great chess notebook of life ...( would capablanca
have written such a sentence ?...hmmm ?....)...
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Originally posted by ark13Radioactive decay is random with an a-priori probability distribution.
...I believe that all matter in the universe must act as a function; given identical imputs, the output will always be the same...
Believe what you want though: that's what everyone else does.