Originally posted by Hugh GlassNebulous sorta hatchet firmly buried! I admire Tillman more than you would know! I also have nothing but fond feelings for the great state of Minnesotta. In fact I urged my daughter to apply to St. John's, but she refused. I believe your state has great schools and a great attitude. My younger son has spent a week each of the last two summers at a Russian language camp and has fallen in love with your great state.
My friend, I am sorry I came across that way. It just didn't make sense to compare past games. I know you love sports and the Cowboys.
I am very partial to the State of texas, and what it means to our great country.
I stood in front of the Alamo, and just slipped years in to the past.
At a time where our country seems to take such abuse by other nation ...[text shortened]... of that writing.
Good luck with your Team next year, they will put another run together!
:-)
I do bleed Cowboy stars in grey and blue, but it is indeed only a game. I am glad you love America as much as I do. Perhaps the Cowboys will get Bret Farvre after he retires again after winning the SB for the Vkings!
Originally posted by scacchipazzoI wonder about Favre..... he has had a great year, maybe he wants to play for all the NFL Teams? :-)
Nebulous sorta hatchet firmly buried! I admire Tillman more than you would know! I also have nothing but fond feelings for the great state of Minnesotta. In fact I urged my daughter to apply to St. John's, but she refused. I believe your state has great schools and a great attitude. My younger son has spent a week each of the last two summers at a Russi ...[text shortened]... ps the Cowboys will get Bret Farvre after he retires again after winning the SB for the Vkings!
What is happening to the Chargers???
Originally posted by Hugh GlassChargers got outplayed. Overconfident indeed! Third down percentage for Chargers was dismal against a tough D!
I wonder about Favre..... he has had a great year, maybe he wants to play for all the NFL Teams? :-)
What is happening to the Chargers???
I wonder if Farvre comes back? Is his a one year contract?
Originally posted by scacchipazzofor the record guys- was not Tillman killed by his own men? friendly fire?
Nebulous sorta hatchet firmly buried! I admire Tillman more than you would know! I also have nothing but fond feelings for the great state of Minnesotta. In fact I urged my daughter to apply to St. John's, but she refused. I believe your state has great schools and a great attitude. My younger son has spent a week each of the last two summers at a Russi ...[text shortened]... ps the Cowboys will get Bret Farvre after he retires again after winning the SB for the Vkings!
i think the press and the army at the time gave a diffirent slant to the story to make him more of a hero.
I beleive they then back-track their story when how he really died that day come to light
Originally posted by spurs73Everybody knows it was a friendly fire incident. That may diminish Tillmn's heroism in your mind, but not in mind. Friendly fire is one of the greatest of hazards for a soldier in a firefight. There was a firefight. Fire gets returned and mistakes are made. Tillman had nothing to do with information supression. He spilled his blood by the time the story was changed. The way I see it's people like you, who would remove a hero's heroism, who are the cause for press releases being altered or sustained after the truth is known to them (the military). Tillman is no more less or more of a hero because of the manner of his death. He died serving his country, and yes, even died for you, whether you like it or not, or whether you appreciate it or not! I know you're Brit and likely have little appreciation for the fact that were it not for Tillman and the likes of him you would be speaking German, assuming the Nazis had let you live! Tillman was fighting the curse of Islamic terrorism, a curse that has affected your country as well as mine. Hence he was potecting you as well!
for the record guys- was not Tillman killed by his own men? friendly fire?
i think the press and the army at the time gave a diffirent slant to the story to make him more of a hero.
I beleive they then back-track their story when how he really died that day come to light
Originally posted by scacchipazzolets agree to disagree on that then
Everybody knows it was a friendly fire incident. That may diminish Tillmn's heroism in your mind, but not in mind. Friendly fire is one of the greatest of hazards for a soldier in a firefight. There was a firefight. Fire gets returned and mistakes are made. Tillman had nothing to do with information supression. He spilled his blood by the time the stor ...[text shortened]... a curse that has affected your country as well as mine. Hence he was potecting you as well!
Originally posted by spurs73Absolutely. I have no truck with you. You stated your opinion and I stated mine. Just want to point out that of all the people of Europe I have the most respect for Brits of whatever stripe because you are virtually the only ones helping us!
lets agree to disagree on that then
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Originally posted by scacchipazzoThe way I see it's people like you, who would remove a hero's heroism, who are the cause for press releases being altered or sustained after the truth is known to them (the military).
Everybody knows it was a friendly fire incident. That may diminish Tillmn's heroism in your mind, but not in mind. Friendly fire is one of the greatest of hazards for a soldier in a firefight. There was a firefight. Fire gets returned and mistakes are made. Tillman had nothing to do with information supression. He spilled his blood by the time the stor a curse that has affected your country as well as mine. Hence he was potecting you as well!
C'mon, they lied simply because they were afraid that they might look bad. It's not justified however you might want to look at it. People, not least of all his family, deserved to know the truth.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWho justifies lying? You assume there is some all seeing eye and the brass always knows what happened. You don't know who knew what and when. The manner of death does not diminish the heroism. How do you know what the family knew or did not know? I consider the matter closed. End of story. Tillman is a hero whether you or your ilk like it or not. Tillman shed his blood. Friendly fire happens. Accidents happen. Our military heros sometimes die in training. Are they less heroic?
[b]The way I see it's people like you, who would remove a hero's heroism, who are the cause for press releases being altered or sustained after the truth is known to them (the military).
C'mon, they lie simply because they are afraid that they might look bad. It's not justified however you might want to look at it. People, not least of all his family, deserved to know the truth.[/b]
Originally posted by scacchipazzoYou tried to justify the lie.
Who justifies lying? You assume there is some all seeing eye and the brass always knows what happened. You don't know who knew what and when. The manner of death does not diminish the heroism. How do you know what the family knew or did not know? I consider the matter closed. End of story. Tillman is a hero whether you or your ilk like it or not. Tillma ...[text shortened]... happens. Accidents happen. Our military heros sometimes die in training. Are they less heroic?
You might find the following story from March 2007 enlightening:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2819891
Here's an excerpt:
Tillman's mother, Mary, told the AP on Saturday the newly disclosed document demonstrates Bush was complicit in deceiving her family.
"He knew it was friendly fire in the very beginning, and he never intervened to help, and he essentially has covered up a crime in order to promote the war," Mary Tillman said in a telephone interview. "All of this was done for PR purposes."
Read it. They were angry and for good reason.
You may "consider the matter closed", but evidently it's been an open sore for the Tillman family for some time. Tillman was killed in April 2004. Here's another story from May 2009:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-05-13-tillman-mcchrystal-parents_N.htm
Lies and cover up have long been the American way if you haven't been paying attention.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneSo you're another anti-Bush parade out the usual claptrap and tiresome anti-military garbage kind of guy? I feel extremely sorry for the Tillman family for their son died. Whether he died from firendly fire or enemy fire is irrelevant. Friendly fire is a sad fact of war. The sad fact is that debating you and you anti-military types is a waste of time. Most definitely not worth my while. Therefore, don't bother responding for I will not. I won't read your links either, so spare yourself the time as well. Have a good time researching whatever your sources are and have a good day!
You tried to justify the lie.
You might find the following story from March 2007 enlightening:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2819891
Here's an excerpt:
[quote]Tillman's mother, Mary, told the AP on Saturday the newly disclosed document demonstrates Bush was complicit in deceiving her family.
"He knew it was friendly fire in the ...[text shortened]... es and cover up have long been the American way if you haven't been paying attention.
Originally posted by scacchipazzoThis is what the TILLMAN FAMILY is saying. If you want to bury your head in the sand and deny its existence, then you only have ignorance to support your view.
So you're another anti-Bush parade out the usual claptrap and tiresome anti-military garbage kind of guy? I feel extremely sorry for the Tillman family for their son died. Whether he died from firendly fire or enemy fire is irrelevant. Friendly fire is a sad fact of war. The sad fact is that debating you and you anti-military types is a waste of time. M ...[text shortened]... the time as well. Have a good time researching whatever your sources are and have a good day!