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Hypothetical question:
Who would win in a dog fight between Chuck Yeager (WWII Ace; 17 kills) and the Red Baron (WWI Ace; 80 kills)?

Assume that they are both flying the same aircraft, and have had the same amount of flying time in the said aircraft. Also, assume that they took off from the same runway in opposite directions at the same time, leaving the pilots skill the only factor.

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Originally posted by Arachnarchist
Hypothetical question:
Who would win in a dog fight between Chuck Yeager (WWII Ace; 17 kills) and the Red Baron (WWI Ace; 80 kills)?

Assume that they are both flying the same aircraft, and have had the same amount of flying time in the said aircraft. Also, assume that they took off from the same runway in opposite directions at the same time, leaving the pilots skill the only factor.
What plane please... how much practice time?

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The P51 D Mustang with those six 50 caliber Browning machine guns would rule over that Fokker Triplane.

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Originally posted by gambit3
The P51 D Mustang with those six 50 caliber Browning machine guns would rule over that Fokker Triplane.
I think we're looking for an even battle, so we need to know what plane they both fly.

If they fly their own plane from their respective wars, it's no contest at all.

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manfred von richtoven aka red baron, deffinetly, he has MUCH more dogfighting skill, he would have to get 50 ft then pull the trigger(80+times) yeager does not have that up close and personal experience, most of yeagers kills were unsuspecting novise pilots, red baron has fought with the best of them, in a plane that could go down with a short burst to the wings, yeager did go down in his mustang, they werent ganna let him fly again cause he "new to much information" but he managed to get himself back up there and shoot down a me262 on final approach, so i think red baron, he has much more hands on dogfighting skill, put him in a p-51 d with six brownings and its all over, yeager flew tactics that were made by the baron

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Originally posted by Arachnarchist
Hypothetical question:
Who would win in a dog fight between Chuck Yeager (WWII Ace; 17 kills) and the Red Baron (WWI Ace; 80 kills)?

Assume that they are both flying the same aircraft, and have had the same amount of flying time in the said aircraft. Also, assume that they took off from the same runway in opposite directions at the same time, leaving the pilots skill the only factor.
Snoopy would take them all down in his Sopwith Camel. He's due for a victory 🙂

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There is no way too guess who would be the better ace fighter pilot. The germans had a lot of high scoring ace fighter pilots. Their highest scoring ace fighter pilot was Erich Hartmann. Other ace fighter pilots of WW1 are Rene Fonck, William Bishop, Ernst Udet, Edward Mannock, Raymond Collishaw. Other ace fighter pilots of WW2 are Gerhard Barkhorn, Gunther Rall. Otto Kittel, Walter Nowotny, Wilhelm Batz, Erich Rudorffer, Heintz Bar, Hermann Graf, Heinrich Ehrier, Theodor Weissenberger, Hans Philipp, Walter Schuck, Anton Hafner, and Helmut Lipfert. These all had two hundred pluss aeriel kills.

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Originally posted by gambit3
There is no way too guess who would be the better ace fighter pilot. The germans had a lot of high scoring ace fighter pilots. Their highest scoring ace fighter pilot was Erich Hartmann. Other ace fighter pilots of WW1 are Rene Fonck, William Bishop, Ernst Udet, Edward Mannock, Raymond Collishaw. Other ace fighter pilots of WW2 are Gerhard Barkhorn, Gunther ...[text shortened]... , Walter Schuck, Anton Hafner, and Helmut Lipfert. These all had two hundred pluss aeriel kills.
alot of the german kills were very hi in ww2 because the germans had been dogfighting since the early 30s, the spanish civil war, battle of briton, blitkrieg, they were already very experienced, and they kept there aces in planes fighting, they should have been rotating them, by the end of the war all those 200 kill pilots have been shot down, with kids(who could barely fly any aircraft, were stuck in these 109s that were very hard to fly) replacing them, that sealed the fate of the luftwaffe, does anybody watch dogfights on the history channel, i love that show

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Originally posted by joe420
alot of the german kills were very hi in ww2 because the germans had been dogfighting since the early 30s, the spanish civil war, battle of briton, blitkrieg, they were already very experienced, and they kept there aces in planes fighting, they should have been rotating them, by the end of the war all those 200 kill pilots have been shot down, with kids(who c ...[text shortened]... he fate of the luftwaffe, does anybody watch dogfights on the history channel, i love that show
Yes, I've seen a lot on 41 (history on my dial) and forgot this tad bit of important info. Nice post!

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One of my favorite stories from History Channel about WWII dogfights was an old American telling a story about a German he faced in the sky more than once. It got to a point where the American finally dived in one day ripping the plane to shreds.

He followed the plain yelling from his cock-pit for the German to bail out... but the guy never did.

The American says he felt like he lost a play-mate or something. Rather interesting I find, it was like the 2 had developed a relationship.

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Originally posted by joe420
alot of the german kills were very hi in ww2 because the germans had been dogfighting since the early 30s, the spanish civil war, battle of briton, blitkrieg, they were already very experienced, and they kept there aces in planes fighting, they should have been rotating them, by the end of the war all those 200 kill pilots have been shot down, with kids(who c ...[text shortened]... he fate of the luftwaffe, does anybody watch dogfights on the history channel, i love that show
I thought that they should have replaced the ME 109 with the Focke Wulf 190.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
One of my favorite stories from History Channel about WWII dogfights was an old American telling a story about a German he faced in the sky more than once. It got to a point where the American finally dived in one day ripping the plane to shreds.

He followed the plain yelling from his cock-pit for the German to bail out... but the guy never did.

Th ...[text shortened]... or something. Rather interesting I find, it was like the 2 had developed a relationship.

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iv heard alot of stories like that, mostly from the first world war

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Originally posted by joe420
iv heard alot of stories like that, mostly from the first world war
Seems there were a lot of gentlemen rules in I and II... relationships developed you probably wouldn't find in our more modern wars.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
What plane please... how much practice time?

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does it matter?

I stated in the opening that they would have flown the same amount of time in the same aircraft.

Basically what I'm asking is:
Who's the better pilot?

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Originally posted by PocketKings
Snoopy would take them all down in his Sopwith Camel. He's due for a victory 🙂
Amen to that

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