21 Apr 14
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Standings for Dr. Rational's Puzzles #1-14:
HandyAndy: 6 Points
lemon lime: 4 Points
ale1552 and lolof: 2 Points Each = (4 Points)
ChessPraxis, kiki46, SwissGambit, Great King Rat, Ponderable, darvlay: = 0
Standings for Dr. Rational's Four Riddles:
2 Points each for HandyAndy and lemon lime.
1 Point each for redbarons and ale1552...
Dr. Rational's Enigmas
"An enigma is a riddle written in verse. Here's the first of a few for my RHP General Forum Friends to solve:"
Standings for Dr. Rational's Enigmas:
Two Points: lemon lime
One Point: HandyAndy.
Honourable mention to CP and ale1552.
22 Apr 14
Originally posted by HandyAndyI think you mean the speaker is referring to himself, that's what you meant when you said his fathers son is him. That's another old one, it starts with someone looking at a portrait of a man hanging on the wall...
His father's son is himself. The speaker is referring to his son.
Go ahead CP, say it... you know you want to!
22 Apr 14
Originally posted by lemon limeThe speaker is saying, "That man's father is me."
I think you mean the speaker is referring to himself, that's what you meant when you said his fathers son is him. That's another old one, it starts with someone looking at a portrait of a man hanging on the wall...
That man, whether he is there in person or in a portrait, is the speaker's son.
22 Apr 14
Originally posted by HandyAndyThat mans father is my fathers son.
The speaker is saying, "That man's father is me."
That man, whether he is there in person or in a portrait, is the speaker's son.
This means "that man" is himself. He is his fathers son. The first part where it says brothers or sisters have I none means the person referred to can't be another son, because he is the only offspring, so the person he's referring to has to be himself.
22 Apr 14
Originally posted by lemon limeWrong.
That mans father is my fathers son.
This means "that man" is himself. He is his fathers son. The first part where it says brothers or sisters have I none means the person referred to can't be another son, because he is the only offspring, so the person he's referring to has to be himself.
We agree that "my father's son" is me.
Read the original enigma and substitute "me" for "my father's son."
23 Apr 14
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Originally posted by HandyAndyOkay...
Wrong.
We agree that "my father's son" is [b]me.
Read the original enigma and substitute "me" for "my father's son."[/b]
"Brothers and sisters I have none, but that
man's father is my father's son."
"Brothers and sisters I have none" means I'm an only child.
I tried using a substitution for the next part of it, but it's awkward trying to substitute the word "I" or "me" or "myself" for "my father's son", so I'll do it this way...
That man = A
The father of that man = B
That man (A) is the man seen in the portrait. This is the key to getting this, because it's the starting point for traveling in a full circle. So he says that mans (A) father (B) is my fathers son. The father of the man in the portrait is his (the speakers) father. A points to B, then B points to another B that identifies the father as being the speakers father, then that B (which is identical to the first B) points back to A (that man) who is the man seen in the portrait.
If you are looking at a picture of yourself and you say That mans father is my fathers son (and you have no brothers) it means the man in the picture is you.
23 Apr 14
Originally posted by lemon limeOh dear, this is all very complicated. I am my father's daughter and when I look in the mirror I see my grandmother. 😕
Okay...
"Brothers and sisters I have none, but that
man's father is my father's son."
"Brothers and sisters I have none" means I'm an only child.
I tried using a substitution, but it's awkward trying to substitute the word "I" or "me" or "my" or "mine" for "that man", so let me try it this way...
That man = A
The father of that man = B
Th ...[text shortened]... picture is you... assuming you have no brothers, in which case it could be one of them).
23 Apr 14
That man = my fathers son... that's another way of saying it.
This enigma relies on subtle misdirection for pointing to the wrong answer. The way it's worded makes it easy to transpose the words "that man" (the one seen in portrait) for "that mans father". The father is referred to, but is not the man seen in the portrait.
23 Apr 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI just now tried it with the speakers son as the man in the picture, and it does work. But why doesn't it work if the man in the picture is the speaker? I've tried it both ways and both ways appear to work... so what am I missing?
[b]Related
"'That man' is my son. Well done, Andy. Honorable Mention to lemon lime. New Enigma on Hump Day." -Dr. Rational[/b]