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Originally posted by josephwWhy don't you try a little math, ok. Don't worry, it won't bite, it's only arithmetic. You can handle that, right? 2times 2 is 4, that kind of thing?
Seems right doesn't it? Standing on the moon's surface shouldn't the earth appear 25 times larger compared to how the moon appears while standing on the earth?
The earth would be huge!
But haven't I seen pictures like that?
So here is the moon and it is about 240,000 miles from Earth. So that is a circle 480,000 in diameter. With me so far? 240,000 mile radius (the distance from the edge to the center of a circle, right?) So here is the biggie, multiply that time Pi, 3.14159 etc., and you come up with a full circle of about 1.5 million miles. You with me here?
So in that 1.5 million mile circle the Earth sits. about 8000 miles wide. So lets get all crazy here and divide 1.5 million by 8000. You come up with 188 so Earth takes up 1/188th of the sky. Now if it took up 1/360th of the way round the circle that would be a massive 1 degree circle seen from the moon. It is actually about twice that, 180 odd which is very close to 2 degrees in the sky.
So put a protractor set to 2 degrees and hold it up along your line of sight. That is a pretty small angle, isn't it? So from Earth or more correctly above the atmosphere, say from the space station, no atmosphere to screw up the sizes, the moon would be about 1/4th that size, not 1/25th as you said. about 1/2 a degree, or about 30 minutes, a really small angle.
So try to factor in that immensely difficult math when you think about how big Earth would be as viewed from the moon.
Hold your thumb out straight away from your face, that is about 1 degree or so, maybe even two. So that would be about how big Earth would look from the moon.
Originally posted by sonhouseOóøö
Why don't you try a little math, ok. Don't worry, it won't bite, it's only arithmetic. You can handle that, right? 2times 2 is 4, that kind of thing?
So here is the moon and it is about 240,000 miles from Earth. So that is a circle 480,000 in diameter. With me so far? 240,000 mile radius (the distance from the edge to the center of a circle, right?) So ...[text shortened]... t 1 degree or so, maybe even two. So that would be about how big Earth would look from the moon.
I like it when you pull out the mathematical stuff and get all science-y on me.
For some reason, you refuse to use math when I put you to the task, but you're all for it when (you think) it supports your perspective.
Look for the recent NASA product which they declare is the actual transit of the moon across the face of the earth during a lunar eclipse.
Besides being an absolute hoot on account of how incredibly fake it is, it shows the relationship in terms of size in completely different purportion than any other images they've produced... in addition to completely contradicting your little thought experiment.
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I was addressing an issue raised by JW not you. I wasn't going all sciency on you, I was pointing out how mistaken JW was in thinking how big Earth would look from the moon.
And BTW, the numbers I put out are 100% correct. Earth would cover only about 2 degrees of the sky from Luna and we already know the moon covers about 1/2 degree so sorry to get all sciency on you, you probably went into shivering fits even thinking about that uber esoteric mathematics I threw out.
Your level of willful ignorance gets more obvious day by day.
Originally posted by sonhouseI hate to be the one to use your own former company against you, but take a look at the link below and see if you find anything in the
I was addressing an issue raised by JW not you. I wasn't going all sciency on you, I was pointing out how mistaken JW was in thinking how big Earth would look from the moon.
And BTW, the numbers I put out are 100% correct. Earth would cover only about 2 degrees of the sky from Luna and we already know the moon covers about 1/2 degree so sorry to get all ...[text shortened]... oteric mathematics I threw out.
Your level of willful ignorance gets more obvious day by day.
"animation [which] features actual satellite images of the far side of the moon, illuminated by the sun, as it crosses between the DSCOVR spacecraft's Earth Polychromatic Imaging Camera (EPIC) and telescope, and the Earth - one million miles away.
http://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/from-a-million-miles-away-nasa-camera-shows-moon-crossing-face-of-earth
I was just kidding: I'm actually laughing as I post this, it is so patently and thoroughly absurd.
-Removed-The reason you have to set it aside is that any suggestion on the motivation is entirely speculative.
Instead of going out on limbs, the disciplined mind begins with what can be proved.
This is why I have repeated the questions: they are quantifiable.
ANYONE can verify whether NASA has misrepresented facts or has offered contradictory information, or not.
ANYONE can apply basic mathematical formulas to the curvature of the earth.
While ANYONE can speculate as to the motivations, but until the reality is established, there is nothing to speculate.
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-Removed-You're calling me dim-witted?
What does that make you: no-witted?
Is there a field in the halls of human knowledge about which you are my superior?
Assuredly, not.
The "burden of proof" which is on me has already been posted by me--- several times--- which has led to the two questions the gaggle of you continue staring at but not answering.
I have demonstrated NASA's phoniness.
I have demonstrated the ability to observe distant objects which would be below the horizon on a globe earth.
And, I have asked the two very important questions relating to those two demonstrations.
Once you either prove or disprove the contentions found in the two questions you can move on to the motivations--- but you might not have to, if they cannot be established.
The only way forward is to determine if the questions have been satisfactorily answered.
At this point in time, the few objecting voices continue their avoidance.
Maybe you'll be the genius who sets it all straight.
I'm going to guess you won't be, but you never know, right?
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou are EXACTLY like the dudes that said if men flew in the air they would be torn apart by the wind.
I hate to be the one to use your own former company against you, but take a look at the link below and see if you find anything in the
"animation [which][i] features actual satellite images of the far side of the moon, illuminated by the sun, as it crosses between the DSCOVR spacecraft's Earth Polychromatic Imaging Camera (EPIC) and telescope, and ...[text shortened]... was just kidding: I'm actually laughing as I post this, it is so patently and thoroughly absurd.
So to you it is fake. So prove it. Where are your experts that have done an analysis of these photo's.
Do you think we would just fall over and take your pitiful word for it?
So I gather you have a Phd in image analysis, you must have to be able to come to that conclusion so quickly.
Where did you get your image analysis Phd? Did you pay more than 50 bucks for it? If so, you got ripped off.
Did you actually even read the words that accompanied the images?
How does it feel to be a 19th century man? Or is it 18th century?
Maybe 15th century. You are in the same boat as the idiots who refused even to LOOK through Galileo's telescope to see the moons of Jupiter for themselves, preferring to keep their cognitive dissonance intact.
You are a joke here, the butt of jokes actually. You would find a better audience moving from Cleveland and going to speakers corner in Hyde park, London.
You would find quite a number of wino's who would fall for your particular brand of bullshyte.
Originally posted by sonhouseSure, whatever you say.
You are EXACTLY like the dudes that said if men flew in the air they would be torn apart by the wind.
So to you it is fake. So prove it. Where are your experts that have done an analysis of these photo's.
Do you think we would just fall over and take your pitiful word for it?
So I gather you have a Phd in image analysis, you must have to be abl ...[text shortened]...
You would find quite a number of wino's who would fall for your particular brand of bullshyte.
Now, how about that great eclipse animation, eh?
You still think the earth wouldn't look a tad bit bigger from the moon?
You still think NASA doesn't crank out crap and call it crackers?
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-Removed-There is no dodge in asking the two questions.
In fact, it's notdpossible to dodge when asking a question.
It is possible to dodge by not answering a question--- or two, as in this case.
And dodge you do.
WHY DOES NASA LIE?
HOW ARE WE ABLE TO SEE DISTANT OBJECTS WHICH OUGHT TO BE BELOW THE HORIZON?
Why are you unwilling to answer those simple questions?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHAnswers: NASA doesn't lie. And the moon deal, did you not believe my arithmetic about how big Earth would look like from the moon? I went over that in great detail for JW and it is about the size of your outstretched thumb as seen from the moon.
There is no dodge in asking the two questions.
In fact, it's notdpossible to dodge when asking a question.
It is possible to dodge by not answering a question--- or two, as in this case.
And dodge you do.
WHY DOES NASA LIE?
HOW ARE WE ABLE TO SEE DISTANT OBJECTS WHICH OUGHT TO BE BELOW THE HORIZON?
Why are you unwilling to answer those simple questions?
What part of the moon is a quarter MILLION miles away do you not understand?