Flat Earth

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Low orbit or no low orbit, the picture shows the earth is not a disc. Which surely means to a flat earther the picture has to have been doctored.

It would have to be, huh.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
It would have to be, huh.

So demonstrate how the picture i provided is doctored.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Take a look at a FE map and you'll see how.

I can't help but notice that when i've pressed you to explain how this flat earth model works you seem to resort to one word sentences. Come on, you can do surely better than that, at least provide a link.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I can't help but notice that when i've pressed you to explain how this flat earth model works you seem to resort to one word sentences. Come on, you can do surely better than that, at least provide a link.

That above sentence should say 'single sentences'.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
That above sentence should say 'single sentences'.

Can you even imagine how many thousands of Earth images from space have been taken by I don't know how many different space faring nations, US, Britain, Brazil, Russia, China, Israel, India come to mind.

How much paranoia does it take to say ALL of those images of Earth clearly showing curvature are fake?

Can you imagine what the mind set such a person must have to full believe that?

I feel safe in saying with 100% confidence if any of those countries were lying and one little country found the truth with their unaltered images it would cause such a splash as to be on the news lines of the entire planet.
That would be an Earth shaking development for sure.

Strangely enough, that has never happened and of course never will, since all those countries are not all liars.

It is sad really to see such a mind go to waste.

Originally posted by sonhouse
I grieve for the billions caught up in the scam which i fell is keeping the species of humans from maturing as a race. Nothing against you personally.

But you have to contend with a lot of contradictions in your bible, if not outright lies. Like the begats who begatted who begatted leading to the absolute nonsense of BILLIONS thinking Earth to be 6000 ...[text shortened]... , the religion is sacrosanct and infallible, right? Not a word in the bible can be wrong, right?

You are simply way over complicating the issue of whether there is a creator God or not. This thing we call life here on earth, the only one we know of for certain, is in turmoil to say the least. Sifting through it all by selecting any given particular isn't going to resolve the question. Whether or not "billions" are "caught up in the scam" isn't in question. There are many scams, and not all of them are religious in nature.

That billions are scammed and deceived is simply a fact of life. It begs the question. Why? Why is this place in such turbulence? Beneath the facade it is in decay, and every single human being eventually succumbs to death. Evolution simply doesn't have the answers to the why questions. Just saying that it is what it is because that's the way evolution works is a deception in and of itself. At best evolution is a non-entity that is merely a product of human ideas generated by scientific hypotheses that theorizes about the origin of life, but has no final authority for answering the questions of why.

The why of it all cannot be answered by science alone, which can only use the tools made by man in a material universe, but the answers to the questions of spiritual significance are found in the invisible God.

And for all the science available no one can provide evidence that the universe wasn't created by an omniscient God. It is only a personal belief that God doesn't exist. It's not science that says God doesn't exist. Science hasn't produced a "God meter" to tell us that.

The knowledge of God, who He is, His nature, and not just about whether or not He exists, is known by one's spirit. It is not within the domain of science to assume the authority to answer the question. It is a spiritual matter of which God is the only authority.

The only answer as to why most deny the existence of, and the acquisition of the knowledge of God, is spiritual blindness.

Pisses a whole lot of people off. And there's an answer of why that is too! In fact all the answers to all of the issues that plague the human race are centered in the knowledge of God, and it's the only place to find them. Contrary to anyone's personal opinion.

Originally posted by josephw
You are simply way over complicating the issue of whether there is a creator God or not. This thing we call life here on earth, the only one we know of for certain, is in turmoil to say the least. Sifting through it all by selecting any given particular isn't going to resolve the question. Whether or not "billions" are "caught up in the scam" isn't in questi ...[text shortened]... e knowledge of God, and it's the only place to find them. Contrary to anyone's personal opinion.

"Just saying that it is what it is because that's the way evolution works is a deception in and of itself. At best evolution is a non-entity that is merely a product of human ideas generated by scientific hypotheses that theorizes about the origin of life, but has no final authority for answering the questions of why."


There you go again, Evoulution theorizes about the origin of life. I can't let you get away with that one.

Evolution says NOTHING about the origin of life. That has been pointed out a dozen times or more here.

Evolution sciences are maybe interested in the origins of life certainly but that is not the main thrust of that science.

There is a whole other scientific discipline that studies the origins of life but NOT evolution.

As we have said before, evolution is the study of life as it is now and in the past after whatever happened to originate life on Earth and hopefully we can extend evolution to life on other planets or moons in the next couple hundred years and by then we also may have a solid scientific answer as to the origin of life on Earth and maybe other places in the solar system too.

And of course I realize that is speculation, whether we will crack the scientific mystery of the origins of life but we get closer year by year and I am confident they will be able to crack that mystery and duplicate the work of millions of years of pre-biotic molecules evolving through natural forces such as sunlight, lightning, hot water vents on the bottom of the ocean, whatever, all those things coming together to create life.

You can say your god created life, fine, no problem with that but at some point the religious set is going to have to come to grips with what science learns about the issue and if they eventually show force A plus water plus comets hitting Earth with glycine and such reacting with molecules in the water plus sunlight or energy from solar flares or whatever, when they put all that together and create the first bacteria or some such, the religious set is going to have to come to grips with it.

Till then you can believe the bible god story with a clear conscience.

I am just making the prediction you will not be able to do that indefinitely. Or at least your grandkids or great great grandkids won't.

Scientific discoveries always modifies the religious stance. Back 500 or so years ago you could get killed for just suggesting Earth was not the center of the universe but Galileo put that crap to bed, even though he was under house arrest for it but eventually the truth of the place of Earth in the universe became clear even to the pope.

IMHO the same thing will happen to the origin of life issue.

At that point the religious response might go something like this: A, god still set up the conditions for life or B, god created the big bang which billions of years later resulted in the solar system and Earth and us.

I have no illusions religion will ever go away, it seems to be a requirement of humans, at least a large number of them to think there is some kind of god.

I have to live with that. I don't have to like it, IMHO humanity will never mature as a race till we shuck the shackles of religion and realize our REAL place in the universe and WE realize we are the ones making moral codes and just figure out the best of religion and secular that works without having to refer to a god 24/7 like it is now.

Originally posted by sonhouse
"Just saying that it is what it is because that's the way evolution works is a deception in and of itself. At best evolution is a non-entity that is merely a product of human ideas generated by scientific hypotheses that theorizes about the origin of life, but has no final authority for answering the questions of why."


There you go again, Evoulution ...[text shortened]... he best of religion and secular that works without having to refer to a god 24/7 like it is now.

You want man to "shuck the shackles of religion," but are perfectly content with whatever other shackles he willingly takes upon himself.
Man's tainted, and you're selling snake oil.
He'll pad the profits of anyone selling anything.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
You want man to "shuck the shackles of religion," but are perfectly content with whatever other shackles he willingly takes upon himself.
Man's tainted, and you're selling snake oil.
He'll pad the profits of anyone selling anything.

Religion IS a shackle mankind took upon themselves. There is ONLY mankind so it is up to mankind to throw off the bullshyte and grow up as a species.

That will NEVER happen with hundreds of religions most at each other's throats PERMANENTLY as it is now.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Religion IS a shackle mankind took upon themselves. There is ONLY mankind so it is up to mankind to throw off the bullshyte and grow up as a species.

That will NEVER happen with hundreds of religions most at each other's throats PERMANENTLY as it is now.

As stated, you only rail on the religious ones and completely (ignore or are blinded) to all of the others.
It's almost as though you have a bone to pick with God.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
As stated, you only rail on the religious ones and completely (ignore or are blinded) to all of the others.
It's almost as though you have a bone to pick with God.

What do you mean 'almost'? You dam right I have a bone to pick with this alleged god.

YOU act like it is real. The only thing I see is thousands of years of human suffering. My position is if a god was real, it would set some of the atrocities right, but what do we see, literally hundreds of millions of people killed in wars, religious wars and secular and by despots in the last two hundred years or so and all the other things that happened. For instance, what would have been the big vast problem with a god, who would know everything, for instance, to have told people a thousand years ago during the plague years, 'Rats have these fleas who are causing the plague, kill those rats and the plague will go away'. But no, we figured it out ourselves a hundred years later, meanwhile over 1/3 of the population of Europe dies.

This is not the sign of a gracious loving god to me. This is a sign there either is no god and the whole religion deal is man made or there is a god and it doesn't give a rats ass about us.

Just exactly how many people need to die in order for this supposedly real god to step in and say enough killing already?

So now OF COURSE the charge would be 'oh, so now you know the mind of god'.

Well PISSS on your god, it is a worthless piece of donkey shyte as far as I am concerned.

But I don't need to worry about all that since this alleged god is strictly hands off so the only thing we as humans can do is to stop worshiping this piece of garbage and grow up as a race and get on with our own lives without having to constantly refer to all the supposed god given morality which in fact is 100% man made just like what I think these shyte filled religions are.

For instance, I say there is no way a real god following the exploits of mankind would set up a religion that would allow another religion to be at loggerheads and thus be an excuse to kill.

There is no way I will EVER believe a real god would be so unspeakably cruel.

But the religious set is so deeply programmed, they think its ok to kill people, babies, girls, old folks, based on religion.

If you think I am wrong, look at Boko Haram, Isis and all those other cancers of humanity. Killing little boys BECAUSE they are going to western style schools, enslaving the girls into sexual servitude because they think women are trash, to be owned.

Tell me a god would ever set up a religion like that.

Tell me a god would like, not know a religion like that was starting up 1500 years ago.

It just goes to prove to me over and over again either there is no god or if there is a god, it could care less about humanity.

You have people who get sick, then get well and pronounce it a miracle.

Yet they conveniently forget about the literal millions who died in religious battles.

Bit of a dichotomy there don't you think?

They think they got healed by a god when in fact they were lucky and their body fixed itself or our medicine did the job, not a god.

Tell me why a god would say, hey, mr 80 year old dude, I fixed your problem, nice miracle, eh.
But I did let those ten million die last century, they PISSSSED ME OFF.

Right.

I don't claim to know the MIND of god. Only its proven ACTIONS or more precisely its NONE ACTIONS.

Originally posted by DukeOfEuphony
Is there anyone who believes the earth is flat here? if so you can message me if you don't want to post it here. I'd be interested to talk with you!

I must confess to liking some conspiracy theories. Some expose truth behind lies, some lie about truth. Some have many hours of dedicated research, some less so. They can be equivalent to works of fiction but perhaps more interesting because the authors believe them to be true. It might be fruitful to rethink that which has been accepted as true without enquiry. Some must be the product of paranoia, furtive imagination or the work of idle practical jokers exercising their right to free speech. Some are just amusing; 'The queen is really a lizard person' and some food for thought; Sandy-Hook.

Originally posted by brush
I must confess to liking some conspiracy theories. Some expose truth behind lies, some lie about truth. Some have many hours of dedicated research, some less so. They can be equivalent to works of fiction but perhaps more interesting because the authors believe them to be true. It might be fruitful to rethink that which has been accepted as true without enquir ...[text shortened]... e are just amusing; 'The queen is really a lizard person' and some food for thought; Sandy-Hook.

I gather then, you think flat Earther's are just that: Practical jokers when in fact we know full well Earth is anything but flat. You didn't venture your own opinion but the tone of your bit suggests you think they (Flat Earthers) are daft.

Originally posted by sonhouse
What do you mean 'almost'? You dam right I have a bone to pick with this alleged god.

YOU act like it is real. The only thing I see is thousands of years of human suffering. My position is if a god was real, it would set some of the atrocities right, but what do we see, literally hundreds of millions of people killed in wars, religious wars and secular a ...[text shortened]... don't claim to know the MIND of god. Only its proven ACTIONS or more precisely its NONE ACTIONS.

I asked for the time.
You told me how to build a watch.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
I asked for the time.
You told me how to build a watch.

You said it looked like I was pisssed at your god.

I gave the reasons behind my pisssedness.