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Help 0n draw after 3 moves the same rule

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j

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In game 124944 my opponent is claiming a draw after 3 moves the
same (31,33,35).
I am not certain of the application of this rule and I am in a strong
position in the game.
I have no reason to doubt him but I would prefer to hear someone
else's view as well.
I will happily comply with the rule once I am sure it applies in this
game
Thanks

John

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John - best place for these question is the Help Forum :-)
This subject was brought up recently over there:

http://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/viewpost.php?postid=14735&start=0

Hope this helps.

Rhymester

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Dieren, Holland

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I looked at it.
After the 35th move of white the same position was reached for the
third time.
The FIDE rules state that white is right in claiming a draw.
I don't know if the FIDE rules apply here in correspondence chess for
sure, but I think they do.

Otto

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Hi,John.
I'm not trying to diddle you.
I wondered what might happen in a tournament game.

j

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No problem,
I have now accepted the draw.
I am a bit frustrated because I was in a winning position but perhaps I
should know the rules better.
It is also hard to keep track of past moves when playing this type of
chess rather than over the board
Regards

John (PS feel free to challenge me again)

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John,I will send a game or two over in a few weeks,reducing gameload
at the moment.
Thanks for your sportmanship.You deserved more from the game.
I had a bitter experience with that rule.I play for a team over the
board.One year we were in a relegation battle,and i was watching the
end of a game that we were winning.We needed those points.It came
to time control,and i felt relief that we would be playing in that division
again the following year.Their player demonstrated that the same
position had occured 3 times with the same player to move and
claimed a draw.

Russ
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Sorry this doesn’t happen automatically. Is does come up from time
to time - so I may need to look into it more seriously in future.

-Russ

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Dieren, Holland

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Russ,

I do NOT think it must happen automatically!
In on the board games a player has to claim and then an arbiter has
to grant it if claimed correctly. No way it is obliged to do: one can
refrain from claiming!

Otto

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Actually I wonder - that could make it easier for Russ to include

Just add a button that allows a person to "claim draw". RHP would then
automatically verify whether the claim was correct, 3 move repetition rule, or
50 move w/o capture/pawn move. IF correct, the draw is awarded.

I would imagine easier than having RHP code that constantly checked for draw
situations.

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I agree that would make it easier perhaps, but...
The rules aren't simple! See:
-There are exceptions to the 50 moves rule (which I donot recall now)
-There is no "3 move repetition rule"! The rule is: a player can claim a
draw when the same position arises for the third time with the same
player to move and the same possibility's (think of a position in which
it is allowed to castle (or take en passant) and the same position in
which it is NOT allowed to castle (or take en passant) then you cannot
claim a draw!

In an on the board game claiming goes like this:
-stop the clock, call the arbiter and say something like this: "after my
opponent's move the same position has arisen for the third time. I
claim a draw.
Or:
-stop the clock, call the arbiter and say something like this: "after my
next move the same position will arise for the third time. I claim a
draw.
Then the arbiter has to judge the claim.

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