Originally posted by RagnorakI'd be happy to to tell one and a quarter million indians that homeopathy is rubbish. Just because a large number of people believe something, doesn't make it true.
Try telling 1 and a quarter billion indians that homeopathy is rubbish.
I don't understand this attitude from some people. Your doctor is trained in a certain type of medicine. His type of medicine is trained to be sceptical of things that they don't understand: ie: its not "science", so its crap.
You base your opinion, a very strong one at that ...[text shortened]... , pharma companies commission experiments to backup what they want to say/achieve.
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My doctor was not my only source of info on homeopathic remedies. I've actually done quite a bit of reading on the subject and have concluded that it's crap.
Your analogy is terrible. It's not like I was saying to my doctor, Hey, do you think you may have wasted your whole life promoting western medicine, when your work could have been easily replaced by OTC herbal remedies?" I didn't say, "You know all those babies you killed? Well, I could have cured them with echinacia." I simply asked him to tell me about homeopathic medicine.
Scientists are trained to be skeptical of anything that is offered without proof or sufficient explanation. Just because someone says they were sick, took homeopathic medicine and was then cured, does not mean that homeopathic medicine was the reason for the cure. If I wear a certain hat and my team wins the championship, does that mean that the hat is effective in winning championships? Absolutely not.
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if it works for some and not others then it would seem wise to try understand why it does work for those few.then in this small pool progress could be found.
don't know much about it but there are many different alternative treatments.some may simply ease pain and therefore not hold much ground in the medical world,yet this is still good.the problem i see with alternative treatments is when people without any medical answers go looking for alternative answers and end up with added pshcological affects.this may be where doctors have their biggest problem with alternative treatments.i guess it's a lack of knowledge.
Originally posted by rbmorrisAn intelligent sceptic, just what we need.
I'd be happy to to tell one and a quarter million indians that homeopathy is rubbish. Just because a large number of people believe something, doesn't make it true.
My doctor was not my only source of info on homeopathic remedies. I've actually done quite a bit of reading on the subject and have concluded that it's crap.
Your analogy is terrible. ...[text shortened]... ip, does that mean that the hat is effective in winning championships? Absolutely not.
My point is simply that patients are intelligent enough to decide for themselves what works.
We should let them.
One quick post script, many over the counter remedies claiming to be homeopathic often are not, they do it to jump on the bandwagon. Sorry, but an ever-filling bandwagon there is, for whatever reason people are on it. True homeopathy involves a trained homeopath finding the right remedy for YOU. This is not achieved when you buy a pre-packed candida remedy, and I for one would not pay for one, nor use one.
why does it have to be A or B? it's not all or none. traditional medicine doesn't have all the answers, neither does "homeopathic" medicine- so what's wrong with having access to both?
for minor ailments and illness, I've used many "homeopathic" remedies with good results. (much cheaper than going to a doctor and buying medicine- here in the USA we still have to pay through the nose for seeing a doctor and god forbid if we have to buy medicine it's going to be expensive)-- last time I got the flu, I boiled ginger (which strengthens your immune system), lemons, honey and garlic into a tea and it made me feel better. the human body is very resilient and foods affect your body, thus, it stands to reason that certain foods can stimulate the healing process naturally.
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OK, here's one to put the pigeon among the cats.
I offer to treat one of you 'distantly', or over the ether so to speak. You do not need to tell me the nature of your condition, nor believe I can help you. I imagine that most of you won't given the nature of what I'm saying. Simply PM me and say that you are in need of healing and that you consent to my doing so.
What I do is similar to prayer.
All I ask in return is that you are honest should there be signs of improvement. If you wish to announce this on the board that is your business.
There is no fee whatsoever, you will owe me nothing.
asromacalcio
Originally posted by asromacalciothis is all good and well but homeopathy is not going to fix every single illness there is even with the best trained profesional.if it does work 'which a good amount of people here think it does' then an answer should be found as to which people/illnesses it is there to target and why.
An intelligent sceptic, just what we need.
My point is simply that patients are intelligent enough to decide for themselves what works.
We should let them.
One quick post script, many over the counter remedies claiming to be homeopathic often are not, they do it to jump on the bandwagon. Sorry, but an ever-filling bandwagon there is, for whatev ...[text shortened]... eved when you buy a pre-packed candida remedy, and I for one would not pay for one, nor use one.
Originally posted by Darth Spongei tried eating ginger one time as i heard it was good for circulation.hmmmm....i got a bad case of the runs.
why does it have to be A or B? it's not all or none. traditional medicine doesn't have all the answers, neither does "homeopathic" medicine- so what's wrong with having access to both?
for minor ailments and illness, I've used many "homeopathic" remedies with good results. (much cheaper than going to a doctor and buying medicine- here in the USA w ...[text shortened]... us, it stands to reason that certain foods can stimulate the healing process naturally.
still...this could also be good for a fat person trying to lose weight and cure a future heart problem!
Originally posted by RagnorakThey also weren't really good at their healing, the incidence of death from what we consider to be minor ailments these days was far higher "back in the day."
A lot of natural healers were burned as witches back in the day because established religions couldn't have women performing "miracles" of healing.
Now, hopscotch, when you don't agree/don't understand something, what do you do with it? That's right, you burn it. What else burns? No, not other things you don't understand, wood! Now, wood floats in water, etc, etc.
Burn the homeopath!!!!!
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Just because something is man made and (horror) some big corp. makes a profit is no reason to deride modern drugs. Or to start believing in fairies.
If homepathic medicine is so powerful, why do so many thousands of children from poorer countries die every single day from easily preventable/curable sicknessess? Things that are treated in the western world with modern medicines? Where are all the homeopathic healers hiding, anyway? Did they all get burned?
Originally posted by windmillIt was just circulating something different than what you expected!
i tried eating ginger one time as i heard it was good for circulation.hmmmm....i got a bad case of the runs.
still...this could also be good for a fat person trying to lose weight and cure a future heart problem!
Originally posted by RagnorakTodays rant -
I believe the area of science that both you and Moldy are trying to talk about would be biology, and not chemistry.
BTW: if you're going to call people idiots, would you mind making sense when you do.
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(Drags out soapbox, clears throat.)
I never called you an idiot(I'm getting close, however).
In reference to your last several posts- could you explain why we live longer than any humans at any time in history? Why did all of those "indians" with homeopathic systems of healing have a life expectancy of under 50, while societies that rely on western paradigms of healing live well into their 70's? You may try to rebut this by saying things like it's not only the medical treatment but modern food handling techniques, better nutrition, etc. You're right. But where did all of these things come from?- Science! No matter how much you eschew western paradigms verbally , every day you utilize and depend on scientific hard won knowledge:
After you touch something that may be "dirty" you wash your hands with soap because there may be bacteria that will make you sick. You refridgerate you food to retard bacterial growth. Vacinate your children against many so diseases that the phrase "infant mortality rate" is almost forgotten. You vacinate you dog against rabies. When you have a cut you cleanse it with betadine, hydrogen peroxide, or rubbing alcohol .
All of the "indians" you laud so much had other ways of dealing with all of these common occurances- and they mostly didn't work so hot and the peoples of several centuries ago DIED by tens of thousands from infection, injury, poor nutrition, parasites, disease, AND REALLY CRAPPY HEALTH CARE.
We live as long as we do and don't die from the common everyday things (see above) because of guys like Louie Pastuer and Jonas Sauk , not because of halfa$$ed shamans and faith healers.
If you think western science and medicine is so lacking, then throw out things like vacuum packaging, soap, pastuerization. If you feel like your appendix is going to rupture go to a faith healer not the ER. Go rub dirt in a wound so the spirit of the earth will heal it instead of breaking out the bactine and bandaids. Go drink straight out of a cow's udder instead of buying milk that's been processed. Don't buy salad at the market, just effing graze in the yard.
It just drives me nuts when guys like you criticize science when you're most likely alive right now solely because of it, and rely on it every day. It's hypocrisy, and biting the hand that feeds you.
Rant over , carry on.
Originally posted by asromacalcioThis some really crappy logic.
My point is simply that patients are intelligent enough to decide for themselves what works.
We should let them.
I'm intellegent, so when I take my truck to the mechanic I should decide what's broken and how it should be fixed? Kind of begs the question of why go to him at all then.
I'm sorry, but when there's something wrong with my health, I want a healer who is smarter than me and can tell me a recommended course of action, not let me decide what I want to do.
Originally posted by asromacalcioI'm not to sure what you do or how you claim it works. All I am saying is rather then you calling upon a God or the supernatural, you are making the person believe they will get better and through them thinking they will get better they do. I'm not sure if you agree with this or think God is healing them.
I'm a spiritual healer and find this comment very outdated. Many of my patients come to me, and many get better, after having tried many other things. My question is this:
If a patient has such strong faith in a system of healing so as to get better from it when all else has failed, why leave it until last? Why spend time and money on other approache ...[text shortened]... their discretion.
Oh, and I'm vegan, so refuse to kill chickens under any circumstances.
"If a patient has such strong faith in a system of healing so as to get better from it when all else has failed, why leave it until last?"
Well how can they know all else will fail unless they try it? I think there is no reason for people to try things they know will fail and for some this will be conventional medicine and for some this will be whatever you do.
Give 100 idiots a glass of water and tell them it will make them better and for a significant portion it will.
It probably work with non idiots to.... maybe thats worth a clinical trial, does iq alter the placebo effect?
anyway... the point is that homeopathy just utilises the placebo effect, something that is not considered ethical in modern medicine.