Originally posted by The PlumberIn relation to your point 2, i did mention that the public need to be far more vigilant at all times instead of just when there is a highened time of alert. We should act as we do after a terrorist attack or a warning during normal times and even more activly when we have actually just been attacked or when there is a hightened state of alert.
Now, to address your original question: How can we stop the suicide bombers?
1 - The simple answer (not one that I advocate, by the way), is to deal with violent thugs the way they deal with us. Round up the family of any suicide bomber, and very publicly and painfully exectute them, burn their houses and property, etc. Obviously, we're not going ...[text shortened]... chnology has only allowed the murderers to be more effective and more sensational in their acts.
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Originally posted by The Plumberinteresting double post...wierd!
Now, to address your original question: How can we stop the suicide bombers?
1 - The simple answer (not one that I advocate, by the way), is to deal with violent thugs the way they deal with us. Round up the family of any suicide b ...[text shortened]... murderers to be more effective and more sensational in their acts.
Originally posted by The PlumberIt's too late anyways. Realistically, neither the US or the UK will withdraw from Iraq anytime soon and we are all basically f-cked for the next while. Whose idea was it anyway to plant the seeds of democracy in the desert?? 😉
I suspect, however, that at this point the UK is pretty much seen by the nasty people as synonymous with the US, and pulling out now probably wouldn't change their level of hate.
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Originally posted by darvlayAsk a guy named Lawerence that question....
It's too late anyways. Realistically, neither the US or the UK will withdraw from Iraq anytime soon and we are all basically f-cked for the next while. Whose idea was it anyway to plant the seeds of democracy in the desert?? 😉
Edit: Or is that Laurence?
fred you need to wake up and smell the weapons of mass destruction: it's impossible to stop terrorists and suicide bombers...it's like saying how do we stop disease/illness, or relative poverty...it's just not going to happen.
what we need to do is try to prevent them carrying out further atrocities and also making sure that we continue to improve our intellience services, and health and saftey services in order to deal with the problems they cause effectively.
i personally thought that the public services performed brilliantly last week in london's attacks...may the continue to improve and let's make sure we stay one step ahead of the criminals.
Originally posted by Freddie2004Not sure how that addresses my second point which was essentially saying, "Your ID card system won't work. It wouldn't have made a hill of beans of difference on July 7th, and in general it will not present much if any obstacle to a determined terrorist organization."
In relation to your point 2, i did mention that the public need to be far more vigilant at all times instead of just when there is a highened time of alert. We should act as we do after a terrorist attack or a warning during normal times and even more activly when we have actually just been attacked or when there is a hightened state of alert.
All you ID card system is going to do is cost money and reduce freedom.
Come to think of it, it's very similar to the U.S.'s ineffective (and unconstitutional) "War on Drugs." Costs us money, reduces the freedom of law-abiding citizens, and slows down the flood of drugs about as effectively as a sand castle does a tidal wave....
Originally posted by Freddie2004And the upshot is Muslims would not be allowed on public transport!!
The fact of the matter is that we need some method of simple identification that can work both manually e.g. a policeman asking "for your papers" or automatically e.g. swiping it against a machine. At the present time neither passports or driving licences are required to be carried at all times and niether could be used with a machine. Also people under the age of 17 do not have driving licences or provisionals so would not be able to use this.
I'm not sure how ID cards, even assuming everyone is forced to carrying them, could possibly help.
What info do you propose an ID card would hold?
Originally posted by Freddie2004I see only two possible options for preventing suicide (homicide?) bombers.
How can we, in both the national and international sense stop terrorism, in particular the most popular weapon of suicide bombs, which have recently been described as "the most user friendly and prescise SMART bomb on the planet"? The recent attacks in London have highlighted the need for a serious restructuring of security systems on transport network ...[text shortened]... safer cities and a safer world? Feel free to suggest them so that they can be discussed.
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1. We (the US) find another source of oil or energy that in no way leaves us dependent upon any Middle Eastern country. At that point we'd have about as much interest in the Mid East as we do in Africa or South America. Nil.
2. We kill all of them before they kill us, and hope to hell we kill their offspring before they grow up and seek revenge.
Originally posted by wibNeither will stop attacks on the non-islamic nations.
I see only two possible options for preventing suicide (homicide?) bombers.
1. We (the US) find another source of oil or energy that in no way leaves us dependent upon any Middle Eastern country. At that point we'd have about as much interest in the Mid East as we do in Africa or South America. Nil.
2. We kill all of them before they kill us, and hope to hell we kill their offspring before they grow up and seek revenge.
The key is too build bridges with the majority of the islamic community so that "extremists" are unwelcome in their own community.
Originally posted by N I Kwhat a load of hypocrisy on your part.
fred you need to wake up and smell the weapons of mass destruction: it's impossible to stop terrorists and suicide bombers...it's like saying how do we stop disease/illness, or relative poverty...it's just not going to happen.
what we need to do is try to prevent them carrying out further atrocities and also making sure that we continue to improve our inte ...[text shortened]... acks...may the continue to improve and let's make sure we stay one step ahead of the criminals.
firstly you say "it's impossible to stop terrorists and suicide bombers"
and then you say "what we need to do is try to prevent them carrying out further atrocities"
I said that i thought it would be impossible to prevent them. did you actually read the post or not?
Originally posted by invigorateAgreed, but that's diplomacy. Something the US, and especially our current administration, has not proven itself to be proficient at.
Neither will stop attacks on the non-islamic nations.
The key is too build bridges with the majority of the islamic community so that "extremists" are unwelcome in their own community.
Step 1 though is still to stop sending soldiers and start sending reasonable diplomats that have only one agenda: Peace. And I'm not just referring to Iraq.
I still believe if we had used the money, manpower, and effort towards peace that we have instead used towards making war, most of our problems in the Mid East would have been solved by now.
There's still hope...
Originally posted by Freddie2004wtf-it's not hypocrisy on my part you idiot.
what a load of hypocrisy on your part.
firstly you say "it's impossible to stop terrorists and suicide bombers"
and then you say "what we need to do is try to prevent them carrying out further atrocities"
I said that i thought it would be impossible to prevent them. did you actually read the post or not?
i'm saying that although the terrorists will always exist..and they will always carry out their acts, there are certain things we can do, for example it is possibe to prevent attacks, but also, when the attacks do occur, we can find better ways to deal with the aftermath.
it's not hypocrisy at all you fool.
and yes i did read your post you moron..did you bother to read mine properly?