Originally posted by cashthetrashFirstly, the only side I am taking is the side of some poor sap who I don't know from Adam who posted some silly thread but then got accused of all sorts of nastiness.
Now this argument I can go along with. However you can't find out by immediately taking his side on the matter and making up hypothetical either. You made up a hypothetical reason for not liking Israelis. Now let me make up one. How do we know that the reason none were friendly to him is because the poster might have been wearing a tee shirt that said " ...[text shortened]... uestions. To this point I am giving the Israelis the benefit of the doubt. Prove me wrong.
I utterly agree with your second paragraph and you are, to some extent, making the same point here as I am. We don't know if he had a great big swastika on his head and we have no idea why he didn't like the Israelis he met. However, it seems fine for people to label the guy a racist when we know nothing except he didn't like the people he met which he is perfectly entitled to do.
My posts have also acknowledged ( though everyone seems to ignore that bit ) that the second part of his post could be interpreted as being a slur on all Israelis. Personally, as a Brit who is aware of the nuances of Brit speak, I don't think he was.
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundDid anybody anywhere in this thread mention Jews????? (I do, of course, realise that many Israelis are Jewish but they are not the same thing)
I've alerted the mods, if i'm wrong to do so, i don't care.
If jew hateing is in , and Feck is out. . .God help us all
Anybody who takes this thread as "Jew hating" is, in my view, not only racist but also the sort of intolerant, dangerous individual who politicians have coerced to follow immoral acts throughout history.
Originally posted by WheelyIt's an obvious undertone of the original post, and my opinion, as your reply is yours.
Did anybody anywhere in this thread mention Jews????? (I do, of course, realise that many Israelis are Jewish but they are not the same thing)
Anybody who takes this thread as "Jew hating" is, in my view, not only racist but also the sort of intolerant, dangerous individual who politicians have coerced to follow immoral acts throughout history.
I always find that anyone who begins a sentence with "I'm not racist , but" is trying to put across a point that is exactly that.
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundI would agree that often anyone who starts a sentence "I am not an xxxxx but..." usually is. Is this the sole evidence on which you would condemn someone?
It's an obvious undertone of the original post, and my opinion, as your reply is yours.
I always find that anyone who begins a sentence with "I'm not racist , but" is trying to put across a point that is exactly that.
Anti semitism is only an "obvious undertone" if you think disliking the Israelis one meets is the same as saying "I hate jews". For me this what racism is. i.e. judging an entire population on the basis of a couple of samples you don't like. In my view, the poster hasn't made that connection but you just have.
Originally posted by reinfeldAlthough you are able to see that it could be either.
...when i see the hindu symbol of evolving life sprayed on a wall i
sometimes think..hmmm...is that a dsylecic nazi or is that the work of
a hindu priest.....so you see what you see from where you stand...
Apparently the hindus have a left and right version of the symbol though I can't remember the difference between them
..the swastika is an ancient symbol of india...used by an occult group
that hitler had some small and occassional meetings with before the
Putsch...so when he or someone around him looked for a symbol for
the nazi movement they picked up this ancient life affirming symbol
( found engraved on some buddhas ) and reversed it and lo..we had the nazi symbol...
Originally posted by reinfeldI knew that bit but I understand that there are two Hindu symbols. Both the reversed and non reversed swastika look alike. I'd be interested to know if anyone could confirm that because I always found it rather amusing to see neo nazis spraying hindu symbols on walls.
..the swastika is an ancient symbol of india...used by an occult group
that hitler had some small and occassional meetings with before the
Putsch...so when he or someone around him looked for a symbol for
the nazi movement they picked up this ancient life affirming symbol
( found engraved on some buddhas ) and reversed it and lo..we had the nazi symbol...
Originally posted by Wheelyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
I knew that bit but I understand that there are two Hindu symbols. Both the reversed and non reversed swastika look alike. I'd be interested to know if anyone could confirm that because I always found it rather amusing to see neo nazis spraying hindu symbols on walls.
Wow, such a great response from you guys, I'm amazed that you all hold such strong opinions. This thing is obviously an important matter, I feel proud to have beenthe one who brought it to your attention...
First, some clarification. I have met lots of Israelis, and lots more Jews. Many thousands of both of them in total. I've met Jews in Israel (of course), France, Germany, Poland, Russia, Hungary and the US as well as my native England. (And they have generally been very nice, kind people.) I have also probably met lots more in other countries, but didn't realise that they were Jewish. I've had Jewish patients and friends, and army buddies in the RAF, as I say, thousands of them. But they weren't Israeli.
Most of the thousands of Israleis that I've met have been in Israel (I'd say about 60% of them) and nearly all the rest were soldiers "defending their country" they said, except that they weren't in their country. (... Huh? Go figure...). I have also met the odd couple selling fake Rolexes and Louis Vuitton stuff on streets in Japan, China and Korea.
It wasn't just two of them; they didn't bite or sting or shoot me, nor even try to harm me (except the retards wearing an army uniform; I expect flak from some for saying that, but I've been shot at and hit before...).
What I wanted, in fact, the only reason for writing the post in the first place, was for someone who claims to be Israeli to tell me that I'm wrong. Reading through the posts between my first one and this one (about 75 or so), not a single one has been from such a person. I realise it's impossible to prove a negative, so I'm just left with my belief. Israelis are sad people without any joy in their lives.
Final clarification: Israelis, not Jews.
EDIT: sorry, forgot to answer this question: Middle finger 18cm.
Originally posted by 747skyjockActually and somewhat ironically I was the only one who mentioned the Israeli I met, who was a nice lady. She had a good heart though I wouldn't call her a happy person.
Wow, such a great response from you guys, I'm amazed that you all hold such strong opinions. This thing is obviously an important matter, I feel proud to have beenthe one who brought it to your attention...
First, some clarification. I have met lots of Israelis, and lots more Jews. Many thousands of both of them in total. I've met Jews in Israel (of co ...[text shortened]... s, not Jews.
EDIT: sorry, forgot to answer this question: Middle finger 18cm.
I don't think you should believe all Israelis are joyless though.
Originally posted by 747skyjockOriginally posted by 747skyjock
Wow, such a great response from you guys, I'm amazed that you all hold such strong opinions. This thing is obviously an important matter, I feel proud to have beenthe one who brought it to your attention...
First, some clarification. I have met lots of Israelis, and lots more Jews. Many thousands of both of them in total. I've met Jews in Israel (of co ...[text shortened]... s, not Jews.
EDIT: sorry, forgot to answer this question: Middle finger 18cm.
Wow, such a great response from you guys, I'm amazed that you all hold such strong opinions. This thing is obviously an important matter, I feel proud to have beenthe one who brought it to your attention...
First, some clarification. I have met lots of Israelis, and lots more Jews. Many thousands of both of them in total. I've met Jews in Israel (of course), France, Germany, Poland, Russia, Hungary and the US as well as my native England. (And they have generally been very nice, kind people.) I have also probably met lots more in other countries, but didn't realise that they were Jewish. I've had Jewish patients and friends, and army buddies in the RAF, as I say, thousands of them. But they weren't Israeli.
Most of the thousands of Israleis that I've met have been in Israel (I'd say about 60% of them) and nearly all the rest were soldiers "defending their country" they said, except that they weren't in their country. (... Huh? Go figure...). I have also met the odd couple selling fake Rolexes and Louis Vuitton stuff on streets in Japan, China and Korea.
It wasn't just two of them; they didn't bite or sting or shoot me, nor even try to harm me (except the retards wearing an army uniform; I expect flak from some for saying that, but I've been shot at and hit before...).
What I wanted, in fact, the only reason for writing the post in the first place, was for someone who claims to be Israeli to tell me that I'm wrong. Reading through the posts between my first one and this one (about 75 or so), not a single one has been from such a person. I realise it's impossible to prove a negative, so I'm just left with my belief. Israelis are sad people without any joy in their lives.
Final clarification: Israelis, not Jews.
EDIT: sorry, forgot to answer this question: Middle finger 18cm.
the problem with your math is, in the above post, you say you've met "thousands of Israleis".
but in the original post, you said:
"Of course, I'd hate for anyone to feel left out, so let me say that just about everyone I ever met has been a nice person, deep down inside.
Except Israelis."
no doubt, among the hundreds of thousands (or even millions) of people you've met, you've met several hundred Israelis who you didn't know where Israeli. given that "just about everyone " you've " ever met has been a nice person, deep down inside", i wonder how why those several hundred Israelis were so cheerful.
maybe it's only the Israelis who go around ID'ing themselves who are depressed psychos (or whatever it is they're supposed to be).