17 Aug 04
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This evening some users seem to be pushing for changes in how the mods act.....
Perhaps there should be a new Social forum or 2 that is heavily moderated for the people we (you) call 'Thin skinned'.
I think general should be moderated by only alerts, and each time a post is rec'd it will erase an alert. 3 or 5 alerts the post is removed. Or just leave it to alerts? How will it work?
I think no one should be able to alert anything in debates. If you want to have a light hearted debate, you would go to the Social... perhaps 2 socials like 'serious social' 'Chit chat social' or more?
The existing forums like chess, help, meet, posers would go on as they do. Clans?????? Geesh.... what would you guys want? That gets heated... Let it all go?
Anyway. The thing that is better about RHP over Yahoo to a lot of chess players here is the friendly atmosphere. Call some of us thin skinned. But I will also let you all know that I could also go for a forum where I can let you all know how I feel sometimes rather than spending my evening online with my finger on the backspace.
Good idea? It is up to Russ but I don't see any other solution... and you guys sure have not offered one.
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17 Aug 04
Originally posted by PhlabibitGreat ideas, actually. I'm all for them. If we can
Good idea?
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implement them, I will even volunteer to refrain
from posting in the Social forums, as my style
is typically more suited to the free-for-all Debate
forum, and the publicly-moderated General forum
that you propose.
Dr. Cribs
17 Aug 04
Originally posted by PhlabibitProposal, since this seems to be the place for it:
This evening some users seem to be pushing for changes in how the mods act.....
Perhaps there should be a new Social forum or 2 that is heavily moderated for the people we (you) call 'Thin skinned'.
I think general should be moderated by only alerts, and each time a post is rec'd it will erase an alert. 3 or 5 alerts the post is removed. Or just ...[text shortened]... up to Russ but I don't see any other solution... and you guys sure have not offered one.
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1. Moderators are not allowed to alert posts, since some partiality is introduced there.
2. <Debates> should be moderated for use of any language not allowable in a PM, if that language is being directed at another person and the person thus offended alerts it. This gets rid of things that could reasonably be considered offensive, while leaving people fairly free to exchnage ideas.
3. <Clans> should be moderated in the same way as <Debates>. Posts ending in ''GOAD!'' should be immoderable, and conversely they should not be taken seriously.
4. <General> should be moderated as it currently is.
5. <Meet Opponents> should become the Social forum that Phlabibit suggests.
THen again, I think Phlabibit's ideas are pretty good as well.
17 Aug 04
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Originally posted by royalchickenBad Ideas.
Proposal, since this seems to be the place for it:
1. Moderators are not allowed to alert posts, since some partiality is introduced there.
2. <Debates> should be moderated for use of any language not allowable in a PM, if that l ...[text shortened]...
THen again, I think Phlabibit's ideas are pretty good as well.
There is no half way.
We as mods can't wait for an alert all the time... otherwise we clean up whole threads.
I've got better things to do with my time than babysit.
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Why, that was rather rude. Sorry.
17 Aug 04
Originally posted by Phlabibiti agree.
Bad Ideas.
There is no half way.
We as mods can't wait for an alert all the time... otherwise we clean up whole threads.
I've got better things to do with my time than babysit.
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why shouldn't a moderator also be a participant?
they are well within their rights to alert a post.
while one can argue that the 'conflict of interest' bit, what make anyone think that we can't trust our mods?
rather why not encourage the posters to post responsibly and the mods won't have to babysit.
in friendship,
prad
17 Aug 04
Originally posted by PhlabibitIf a mod can alert posts, and, as I understand it, only alerted posts can be removed, then there is a possiblity that mods, who have the job because they are able to rise above the common squabbling, can further their own interests in an unscrupulous way. I'm not saying it happens, only that it is possible. If no one expresses distress at an 'offensive' post, then there is certainly no reason to delete it.
Bad Ideas.
There is no half way.
We as mods can't wait for an alert all the time... otherwise we clean up whole threads.
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I've got better things to do with my time than babysit.
Well, as many have pointed out, you've volunteered to be a moderator.
17 Aug 04
Originally posted by pradtfA mod volunteers for the job, and thus no-one is forcing them to give up rights if a policy like the one I have suggested is introduced.
while one can argue that the 'conflict of interest' bit, what make anyone think that we can't trust our mods?
Here we have the null hypothesis thing again--isn't it better to just remove the possibility of 'conflicts of interest'?
17 Aug 04
Originally posted by royalchickenwhy don't we instead remove the possibility of the inappropriate posts?
Here we have the null hypothesis thing again--isn't it better to just remove the possibility of 'conflicts of interest'?
it's not that difficult.
we all just pay a little more attention and speak our minds with a little more care.
in friendship,
prad
17 Aug 04
Originally posted by pradtfPrad, there is no universal standard of innapropriateness--if there were, there would be no argument. I can speak as carefully as I please, and it is still possible that someone is offended. Are we to always cater to the emotional responses of every person, or can we discuss ideas in an interesting, insightful, and sometimes ironic or humorous fashion? Usually, there is no conflict, but when there is, I think great care should be exercised to ensure that the integrity of the discussion take precedence over subjective feelings. Otherwise we will have the 'stale white bread' forums that another user warned me are coming.
why don't we instead remove the possibility of the inappropriate posts?
it's not that difficult.
we all just pay a little more attention and speak our minds with a little more care.
in friendship,
prad
17 Aug 04
Originally posted by royalchickenYup, doing some time...
If a mod can alert posts, and, as I understand it, only alerted posts can be removed, then there is a possiblity that mods, who have the job because they are able to rise above the common squabbling, can further their own interests in an unscrupulous way. I'm not saying it happens, only that it is possible. If no one expresses distress at an 'offens ...[text shortened]... time than babysit.
Well, as many have pointed out, you've volunteered to be a moderator.[/b]
Here is a warning I've had given to a newest mod.
'Once you are a mod you will find you don't post much anymore, you feel like you are a rep of RHP. I've written many posts just to erase them on many subjects'.
After reading my message Russ told me he knows how this feels, he has seen many of his favorite subjects go by, and just couldn't post.
One thing all you guys keep forgetting is all posts that are removed by a mod can be put back. Just let Russ know what a bad job we do and he'll put it right back for you.
If us mods worked on our private feelings, You would have reason to complain. We don't. We all talk about everything removed, and it is all in a list for us to view any time.
It is not an easy job, it is all or nothing if there is no line that we can see. Only you guys can let RHP know mods do a bad job... every time I PM Russ he tells me 'I trust your judgment, thanks for the work you do'.
Russ could have put cribs post back at any time. He didn't do that. I also think he's a bit pressed for time trying to make the site better for all of us, and he won't even like my idea.
Perhaps there is no solution? Perhaps you guys just want to drive all the mods away and make this Yahoo2?
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17 Aug 04
Originally posted by royalchickenrc, there isn't going to be any stale white bread, just because people are polite to each other.
Prad, there is no universal standard of innapropriateness--if there were, there would be no argument. I can speak as carefully as I please, and it is still possible that someone is offended. Are we to always cater to the emotional responses of every person, or can we discuss ideas in an interesting, insightful, and sometimes ironic or humorous fashion ...[text shortened]... Otherwise we will have the 'stale white bread' forums that another user warned me are coming.
i don't know why there is this terrible fear that we have to cater to the emotional responses of every person. surely, mutually acceptable levels of respectability can be found.
i don't think there is any problem with any of the stuff you have mentioned below. but it should not be assumed that because we try to be polite, we aren't going to have fun.
just as it shouldn't be assumed that if we have fun, we are going to hurt other people.
a bit of discretion, common sense and courtesy is all we need - and a few protocols.
in friendship,
prad