Originally posted by mikelome4 is fine for start, but you have to learn other notes too 😛
Not avantgard, or anything too serious, I want to learn chess and pawn scales in order to be able to cool improvise (Until now I learnt just e4 e2 f3 and j12 but I made variations 30 minutes in length out of that), I also want to learn about RHP forum harmony... I know there are patterns and schemes to start with them... Any good book or something ? Where should I start ? e4? ..🙂🙂
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Originally posted by murrowWell, yes I am finishing music academy, I do not have problem with music theory or playing, especially piano or accordion. I also posses perfect pitch so I guess I just have to learn harmony and schemes and I could be good at it... It is nothing serious though, just a desire of mine...
do you play any of these instruments already (eg with classical training)?
Originally posted by ivan2908I know you already play music, my point is that Jazz is a life style. The best thing you could do is play with others that play it. The emotion that is Jazz isn't in a book. Learn from players is all I am trying to steer you toward.
Yes this is a romantic point of view, but at playing jazz, certainly would help to know how to play jazz ? 😕
Originally posted by ivan2908If you have any questions about jazz theory, you can ask me. I used to love that stuff. The important subtlety about jazz is that to make your line make sense, you have to have some theme(s) in it. Even avant garde jazzies seem to articulate their lines depending on how "in" or "out" they want things to sound at different points, giving the line a textural contour. But if you're playing in a more familiar style, a few small theme tricks strung together will give you a head start on developing over-arching themes, making your lines sound very mature.
Well, yes I am finishing music academy, I do not have problem with music theory or playing, especially piano or accordion. I also posses perfect pitch so I guess I just have to learn harmony and schemes and I could be good at it... It is nothing serious though, just a desire of mine...
Originally posted by ivan2908I used to teach jazz improvisation & theory, to people who were already classically trained on their instrument.
Well, yes I am finishing music academy, I do not have problem with music theory or playing, especially piano or accordion. I also posses perfect pitch so I guess I just have to learn harmony and schemes and I could be good at it... It is nothing serious though, just a desire of mine...
Honestly, I would give the books a miss. The best, fastest, most enjoyable way to learn the basics would be to find a jazz pianist who is willing to give you regular classes.
Just an hour every fortnight. They can give you things to work on between lessons. It really makes a HUGE difference being able to see things demonstrated, and to hear what you are learning put to use.
Originally posted by murrowI had a friend who was doing so good in jazz and harmony that he improvised the whole end of Bach's fugue on exam after memory blockade.
I used to teach jazz improvisation & theory, to people who were already classically trained on their instrument.
Honestly, I would give the books a miss. The best, fastest, most enjoyable way to learn the basics would be to find a jazz pianist who is willing to give you regular classes.
Just an hour every fortnight. They can give you things to work on ...[text shortened]... difference being able to see things demonstrated, and to hear what you are learning put to use.
He could turn everything to jazz and improvisation, from classical music to pop or r'n'b music... Eventually he graduated and went back to his country so I can't find any tutor at the moment... 🙁 But I know I could do it good and in absence of any real tutors or players could you recommend me something to listen ? I absorb and reproduce quite fast following my ear, but I am completely ignorant to great jazziest....
Originally posted by ivan2908one of the problems of learning on your own is that you don't really have enough hands...
I had a friend who was doing so good in jazz and harmony that he improvised the whole end of Bach's fugue on exam after memory blockade.
He could turn everything to jazz and improvisation, from classical music to pop or r'n'b music... Eventually he graduated and went back to his country so I can't find any tutor at the moment... 🙁 But I know I could do it ...[text shortened]... nd reproduce quite fast following my ear, but I am completely ignorant to great jazziest....
i think the best way of learning is to think in terms of 3 parts - the tune/sole, the chords/harmony and the bass.
all the great solo jazz pianists (eg bill evans - 'alone' is my favourite solo jazz piano album) clearly think like this, even though in practice one of these parts is often implied or even absent.
but hey ho!
i would start with oscar peterson.