27 Jun 04
Im 15 and many people will think I don't know what I'm talking about but I want to say my share because nobody I know wants to here what I have to say.
I think that even if you disagree with our troops being there, you should still support them all the same.(My brother is in the army and I will probably join when out of high school.)
Had I known that there was going to be this many casualties, I would have said "no, let's just drop a bomb"🙂 Now, I am thinking differently, I don't want to talk about "well, we should have never went there." That is behind us now because we are there and we have to deal with the given situation. In the given situation, I think we should stay there until the job is done because I would rather be fighting terrorists on their own ground than here in the United States where our citizens would suffer more than they have ever before.
People said that we shouldn't have went into Iraq, but doesn't anyone understand that George Bush did not say we were starting a war against Usama Bin Laden, he said that we were starting a war on terrorism. That includes Sadam Husseins and Usama Bin Laden and any other major terrorist group. So please people, don't say we shouldn't be there, we elected George Bush as our president so why do we now say it is fault when it is our own. Someone had to make the decision when it was brought up and it was him. What would have happened if he would have chosen not to go into Iraq? Another 9-11? I'm not saying that this is what he would have done, but don't you think that us not going into Iraq would have shown Saddam a weakness? If I was a leader, I would have seen it as a weakness.
Well, I can't change people's minds but this is what I think. Please don't blow up on me and start saying I'm wrong because I don't care what you think.
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timtim
27 Jun 04
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Originally posted by timtimBe prepared to have grenades launched at you from the U.S. haters at RHP, many Americans included....just stick to your beliefs and debate whomever disagrees with you...tell 'em like it is...while I may not necessarily agree that going into Iraq was the right thing to do, since we are there we may as well do what we can to kill as many insurgents/terrorists as we can before they can destabilize the new Iraqi government...then get the hell out and concentrate on Al-Qaeda...I respect you for your desire to serve your country when so many others would not lift a finger.....except to point out how much they detest this country that they live in and still reap all the benefits (freedoms) that were paid for in blood over the past 225 years and into today...good luck...😉
Im 15 and many people will think I don't know what I'm talking about but I want to say my share because nobody I know wants to here what I have to say.
I think that even if you disagree with our troops being there, you should still supp ...[text shortened]... 'm wrong because I don't care what you think.
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timtim
27 Jun 04
Originally posted by jcandanceI think it's a mess but I have faith that you and your comrades will prevail...failure is not an option...the question is: what do YOU think?
since I'm here, what does everybody think of the situation over here in Iraq?
Stay safe and make it back in one piece...are you a soldier or Marine...or what?....
27 Jun 04
Originally posted by chancremechanicty, I'm prepared for them. Yes, I never understood why so many people would hate or dislike the country and still don't push away the freedoms that they are given. Yes, we need to get push the gas pedal over there and then get out and concentrate on Al Qaeda.
Be prepared to have grenades launched at you from the U.S. haters at RHP, many Americans included....just stick to your beliefs and debate whomever disagrees with you...tell 'em like it is...while I may not necessarily agree that going into Iraq was the right thing to do, since we are there we may as well do what we can to kill as many fundamentalis ...[text shortened]... s (freedoms) that were paid for in blood over the past 225 years and into today...good luck...😉
27 Jun 04
Originally posted by chancremechanici think i"m going to wait awhile before I talk too much. I want to see what other people have to say first. I'm a soldier though, in the Army. Sgt type. Qnty 1 each.
I think it's a mess but I have faith that you and your comrades will prevail...failure is not an option...the question is: what do YOU think?
Stay safe and make it back in one piece...are you a soldier or Marine...or what?....
27 Jun 04
Originally posted by timtimTim Tim...
Im 15 and many people will think I don't know what I'm talking about but I want to say my share because nobody I know wants to here what I have to say.
I think that even if you disagree with our troops being there, you should still support them all the same.(My brother is in the army and I will probably join when out of high school.)
Had I known that ...[text shortened]... ow up on me and start saying I'm wrong because I don't care what you think.
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timtim
Pop over to: http://www.soaw.org/new/article.php?id=100 and have a read.
27 Jun 04
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Originally posted by timtimYou don't make it very clear who you want to drop a bomb on - Saddam? Problem with dropping bombs is that the bad guys are hard to find - usually it is the innocents who suffer. Dropping bombs on civilans does not make you liked - the Germans bombed London in 1940 and the Brirish returned the favour a couple of years later.
Im 15 and many people will think I don't know what I'm talking about but I want to say my share because nobody I know wants to here what I have to say.
I think that even if you disagree with our troops being there, you should still supp ...[text shortened]... 'm wrong because I don't care what you think.
My side
timtim
Like you, I am concerned with the casualities. There have been thousands of Iraqi civilians killed and the violence is spreading. Saudi Arabia is now a very dangerous place for Westerners and lawless cities such as Fallaja now provide havens for terrorists. Facing up to foreign troops and driving them out has provided many more recruits for America's enemies. Osama must be pleased - from being on the run in Afghanistan, he now has another failed state to exploit - plus his enemies are now divided and distracted.
Quite simply, your President has led you to a foreign policy disaster. He has done this by acting unilaterally, without the support of your allies. These allies are now watching you squirm - and they have no intention of pulling you out of this quagmire. The reasons Bush put forward for the war - weapons of mass destruction, terrorist links - have been totaly discredited. Spain has already had a change of government and Blair may lose office too. The US is fast losing influence - witness your failure to get immunity from war crimes prosecution for your soldiers in the United Nations.
When I was 15, Vietnam was the war. Then too. people said support the troops. "Keep on fighting - we cannot afford to lose". You did lose and all the bad things failed to happen. Many war supporters would still have American soldiers dying in Indochinese jungles. Those who said get them out did the most good.
So you will join the army - are your career choices that limited? The Iraqis will keep fighting you - what would you do if there were Iraqi tanks in your town?
27 Jun 04
Originally posted by chancremechanicDid that 225 years of freedom include the years where people were seized from Africa, and sold like cattle to work on cotton plantations?
except to point out how much they detest this country that they live in and still reap all the benefits (freedoms) that were paid for in blood over the past 225 years and into today...good luck...😉
27 Jun 04
Originally posted by steerpikeYeah, it included that...the US is not perfect like New Zealand is 🙄 Why don't you mention that it was AFRICAN Kings that also sold their people into slavery....I acknowledge that slavery was wrong, what's your excuse...all civilizations exploited slavery from Egypt to current day Africa, where they are STILL selling their people into slavery, but during those 225 years, and specifically in the 1940s, your country's freedom was also guaranteed oh thankless one!! 😲 🙄
Did that 225 years of freedom include the years where people were seized from Africa, and sold like cattle to work on cotton plantations?
27 Jun 04
Originally posted by steerpikeWho? Allies like the French and the Germans who were protecting their own personnel interests and were sell outs to Saddam Hussein in the first place and didn't want the international community to know about their crooked and illegal dealings that violated U.N. sanctions that they voted for in the first place.
[b]You don't make it very clear who you want to drop a bomb on - Saddam? Problem with dropping bombs is that the bad guys are hard to find - usually it is the innocents who suffer. Dropping bombs on civilans does not make you liked - the Germans bombed London in 1940 and the Brirish returned the favour a couple of years later.
Like you, I am concerned wit ...[text shortened]... y acting unilaterally, without the support of your allies. These allies are now watching you squirm.
The vote looked good to the rest of the world but they had no intentions of keeping the sanctions. They made their money the old fashioned way, behind others backs. So don't give me any nonsense about allies.
27 Jun 04
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So you will join the army - are your career choices that limited? The Iraqis will keep fighting you - what would you do if there were Iraqi tanks in your town?[/b]Are my career choices that limited? No, they are not, because my future is in my hands. I want to serve because I believe it is the right thing to do.
As for tanks in my town, my government will not allow it to come to that because we don't wait until they are in our country we go to theirs.
Besides, say that tanks do come rolling through my town, our military is made up of our citizens, do you think we would just let them roll through our town untouched. My father, my grandfather, along with many uncles were in the military. Those tanks would not survive.
But we have honor. We wouldn't pull them out of their tanks and cut their heads off or take them out and hang them from bridges.
Can I ask you something, are you Muslim? Well, according to the Muslim religion, anyone thought to be an infadel according to the Muslims is supposed to be killed. Well, if you are not Muslim, then you are an infadel. Do you think if you went over to Iraq they would spare you because you think that us going over there was wrong? They wouldn't give a lick about you. You would be hanging from some of the same bridges that our soldiers would be hanging from.
As I said, I'm 15 and just wanted to tell everyone my views. I didn't care to here anyone's opinions on what I thought. I know I don't know everything and that many of you are smarter and know more about it than I do.
timtim
27 Jun 04
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Originally posted by jcandanceGeorge Bush should go to prison (life-long without a chance of ever getting out) for what he has done in Iraq ...
since I'm here, what does everybody think of the situation over here in Iraq?
Now lets ask the Slow Pawn why he has such an outrages opinion about America's president... Here we go...
Why has America had such an interest in invading Irag??
1. To support its own military industry (by buying millions of shells, bullets etc. needed to fight such a war)
2. To steal the only material thing that is worth something in Iraq - the oil. Before the war, America's oil reserves have been down to a bare minimum and taken the current oil price development into consideration it makes only sense for Mr. Bush to steal Iraqs oil, rather then buy it legally
3. Election purposes ... Every little child knows that a quick successful war (preferably with the capture of Hussain and some weapons of mass destruction) would have guaranteed Bushes re-election.
These are the REAL and ONLY reasons why Bush invaded Iraq, as lets face it
1. No weapons of mass destruction have ever been found
2. Although Hussain has been captured, he obviously was not the person, America's depicted him - Or have you heard anything since his capture ??
I don't hate America (or Americans), In fact, I have been to Los Angeles, San Fransisco and even Las Vegas and that was one of the best holidays in my life. But Americans have little to do what madness Bush was is and will be doing (if he indeed gets re-elected)... Americans (and that in reference to the military troops) only execute what they are being told (if they like it or not doesn't matter)
There is not 1 legitimate reason for America to have started the war, not 1, and the real reasons why Bush (and Bush only) dictated his troops to a now devasted country are outlined in points 1-3...
Sure Hussain was an evil dictator in his country and many people suffered under him, but that does not give America the right to kill thousands of people, destroy an entire country and steal its oil... And on top of that ... Is Iraq now really better off after the war ?? I don't think so. Of those who have survived this madness, thousands (if not millions) have lost their homes and everything they once possessed
That is what I think of the situation in Iraq... You may disagree with that but I am sure that eloquent and well-read people will at least see some truth in my words, as I have been studying this Iraq situation from day 1 (and before), and with that I don't mean reading the sun's headline on occasions
Kindest Regards
A politically correct Pawn
27 Jun 04
Originally posted by steerpikeVery true support for my argument ...
You don't make it very clear who you want to drop a bomb on - Saddam? Problem with dropping bombs is that the bad guys are hard to find - usually it is the innocents who suffer. Dropping bombs on civilans does not make you liked - the Germans bombed London in 1940 and the Brirish returned the favour a couple of years later.
Like you, I am concerned wit ...[text shortened]... d? The Iraqis will keep fighting you - what would you do if there were Iraqi tanks in your town?