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Originally posted by PalynkaFunnily enough, I don't think it's as black and white as you two are trying to make it.
Go ahead. Any arguments while your at it?
There's an example in the 1st post of the 2nd page in Thread 46609
Edit - Can never get the links right.
Edit - Thanks Daemon Sin for the links tip.
You'll hardly ever see the 'spirit of sport' in competitive matches because of the corporate side to it. Players will do whatever they can to win to keep their 5 figure salaries rolling in or make sure they still have their sponsorship deals. The same goes for team managers; if the team performs poorly they risk losing their job and income so they're pressured into ignoring the 'spirit of sport' and taking any opportunity to win.
On the other hand, non-competitive sport where people aren't payed is full of the afore mentioned 'spirit' because people are playing for fun, enjoyment, love of the game, etc.
Originally posted by Daemon SinGood points.
Funnily enough, I don't think it's as black and white as you two are trying to make it.
You'll hardly ever see the 'spirit of sport' in competitive matches because of the corporate side to it. Players will do whatever they can to win to keep their 5 figure salaries rolling in or make sure they still have their sponsorship deals. The same goes for team ...[text shortened]... tioned 'spirit' because people are playing for fun, enjoyment, love of the game, etc.
What I'm saying is that different nationalities see the sport differentely, so it's incorrect to talk about one unique spirit of the sport.
I believe that the corporate behaviours that exist and are dominant in club football are much less so in national football.
The styles of play of teams do not chance that much over generations, especially under coaches of the same nationality. It's why Italy have a style of play, Germany has a style of play, Brazil as well and we can see that England has changed a bit under a foreign coach. We'll see with your new coach how it goes.
I think this isn't a mere coincidence, but because of fooballing culture being different accross countries. If you think football has increased the cheating, just look at how teams used to stop Pele when there were no red cards. Is that more in touch with your notion of representing the "spirit of sport"? I don't think so.
Originally posted by PalynkaWhat's your opinion on the clash of heads and converstation that Rooney and Ronaldo had just before the start of the match?
I don't think what Ronaldo did was cheating. I don't think we cheated against England. We did cheat against Holland but that game we fought fire with fire.
What Figo did in that game is condemnable, but so is what Rooney did. I don't think England should stop playing Rooney just because he did it and the same applies to Figo. Especially since it's the fir ...[text shortened]... ed a ref in the 2002 World Cup. That I can agree with, since it was a truly disgraceful act.
Originally posted by Daemon SinIt was friendly banter. You can see Pauleta smiling (a non-wicked smile) and Rooney just looks passively at him.
What's your opinion on the clash of heads and converstation that Rooney and Ronaldo had just before the start of the match?
A bit like the clan forum if you ask me.
Originally posted by PalynkaI said based on your reaction I wouldn't be suprised if you didn't get it, meaning you obvioulsy do not buy into that idea, and you don't, do you? buy into the 'sportmanship' idea I mean. However if you did feel I insulted you I appologise. If you see my response to your incorrect posting in 'posers and puzzles (or whatever it is) you will see that I do not correct you in an insulting way, that is not my way. I don't see the point in having petty arguements or indeed being petty on forums, there are better things in life to be doing.
And yet I merely responded to you saying you wouldn't be surprised if I didn't get it. You didn't see me whine about it but you must expect me to respond in kind.
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Originally posted by stevetoddNo, I didn't feel insulted since I didn't feel any intention to insult from your part. Your jibe was a provocative one and so was mine. A little spice in life is good if it doesn't burn your tongue.
I said based on your reaction I wouldn't be suprised if you didn't get it, meaning you obvioulsy do not buy into that idea, and you don't, do you? buy into the 'sportmanship' idea I mean. However if you did feel I insulted you I appologise. If you see my response to your incorrect posting in 'posers and puzzles (or whatever it is) you will see that I do n arguements or indeed being petty on forums, there are better things in life to be doing.
I saw your post in the P&P and I didn't reply because I add nothing to add. You were right. I'm not pretending I know everything. If you think I was petty, then I'm sorry you feel that way but since I disagree I won't change a word I said.
The argument is an interesting one. Is there an absolute notion for a sporting spirit? We're not going to save the world by discussing it, but it is an interesting question nevertheless. At least to me.
Originally posted by PalynkaHonestly, i think sportsmanship and professional sport don't match well. Football's been getting less and less of a sport noticeably since the 60s, I'd say, and probably before that (but I'm 26, so i can't say for sure).
No, I didn't feel insulted since I didn't feel any intention to insult from your part. Your jibe was a provocative one and so was mine. A little spice in life is good if it doesn't burn your tongue.
I saw your post in the P&P and I didn't reply because I add nothing to add. You were right. I'm not pretending I know everything. If you think I was petty, th ...[text shortened]... world by discussing it, but it is an interesting question nevertheless. At least to me.
All the diving and feigning injury, and rolling around on the ground, or holding your face to pretent you've been struck- that should all be weeded out. Bring back the old football, the contact sport for men. This other is turning into drama lessons for shirt-lifters and fudge-packers 101.
Originally posted by sjegThat's a different issue, though.
Honestly, i think sportsmanship and professional sport don't match well. Football's been getting less and less of a sport noticeably since the 60s, I'd say, and probably before that (but I'm 26, so i can't say for sure).
All the diving and feigning injury, and rolling around on the ground, or holding your face to pretent you've been struck- that should all b ...[text shortened]... for men. This other is turning into drama lessons for shirt-lifters and fudge-packers 101.