Originally posted by Orange PeelThat's cool. I just was going by your other post - "He should have trusted God & prayed for help."
1) He didn't need to pray, as help arrived.
2) He could have stayed where he was and prayed, and help would arrive.(It would have anyway).
3) If he left, there was an opportunity to kill a bear for food & warmth.
A hero would have done 3.
The guy made a mistake. Cost him his life. I just don't see any sense to ridicule him. What need in your life are you satisfying by doing so? That's what I wonder.
Originally posted by badmoonA true Christian would have selected one of those options.
That's cool. I just was going by your other post - "He should have trusted God & prayed for help."
The guy made a mistake. Cost him his life. I just don't see any sense to ridicule him. What need in your life are you satisfying by doing so? That's what I wonder.
Growing up in Minnesota, it was ingrained in us to remain at the car. I would have stayed with my family and prayed. But that was because we were taught that relentlessly as a survival tactic. He apparently wasn't exposed to that teaching. Therefore what he did was guided by heroism and what he thought he needed to do to save his family. he very well might have prayed all the while. Simply becuase he was naive does not make him anti-Christain or an atheist.
Originally posted by DeathyxThey were going to the Oregon coast and the only way to get there is through mountainous terrain! They made a wrong turn and couldn't find their way back! So after a few days James Kim decided to try and go to a town he thought was 4 miles away but was actually 15 miles away! THe pattern he used was odd though because he went in an oval shape and died only 1-2 miles away from where he started walking to find the town! He is considered a hero because he sacrificed his life so that his family could have a chance at living! you would have done the same thing, it is quite easy to get lost in Oregon mountains!
Yah... Im not quite sure why he's considered a hero... What exactly did he do ? I havent heard the full report...
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Originally posted by JohnLennonForeverMountainous terrain yes - BUT STAY ON THE MAIN HIGHWAYS, NOT THE DIRT FOREST ROADS that are actually made and used mainly by the Forest Service, some hunters and SUMMER recreation. I live in Oregon, am going to the Coast today, and there are no shortages of main, paved, well travelled highways. We wont be turning off on some dirt road somwhere and see where it takes us.
They were going to the Oregon coast and the only way to get there is through mountainous terrain! They made a wrong turn and couldn't find their way back! So after a few days James Kim decided to try and go to a town he thought was 4 miles away but was actually 15 miles away! THe pattern he used was odd though because he went in an oval shape and d ...[text shortened]... t living! you would have done the same thing, it is quite easy to get lost in Oregon mountains!
Maps clearly show main highways versus secondary roads. Just because the map shows the road GOES THERE doesnt mean its SAFE. As for the wrong turn - the second you hit a dirt road - stop and turn around. Do not keep going. Ask directions, stop at a house something. The posters on this thread that made it sound like there was no way to prevent this are the type of people this could happen to.
I am a Christian, and I take responsibility for my actions. Just because you are a Christian does not mean you dont need to excercise good judgement, be smart, and use the gifts God gave you. You dont just turn down some road without thinking and say "I am in God's hands".
The point of all of this is NOT to criticize the Kims, but for people to learn from this and learn how to avoid it. Cant be more simple - stay on main paved, well traveled highways. Not backcountry dirt roads.
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Originally posted by badmoonThank you for this posting. This guy's fate was horrible, and it quite easily could happen to anybody. I mean, the guy was in the car with his family for eight days, with no contact, with no extra supplies, and no idea when help would arrive. Were it me, given that my own mistakes in driving, navigation, etc. resulted in the situation, I would find it very hard to do nothing as my family began to starve (especially if I had infants).
Fact is, he seemed like a really well loved guy. Saw some footage of his, home movie type stuff, and he seemed like a guy that you really would have liked to know. Fun loving, sense of humor, humble, all that.
Can't we just apprciate the fact that the dude tried and be saddened that many people will grieve?
Why be so darn callous about it? Who cares that the media is labeling this as heroism?
It's hard, but appropriate, to just appreciate the loss.
Originally posted by blakbuzzrdAnd also important to take away lessons so this doesnt happen to you.
Thank you for this posting. This guy's fate was horrible, and it quite easily could happen to anybody. I mean, the guy was in the car with his family for eight days, with no contact, with no extra supplies, and no idea when help would arrive. Given that his own mistakes in driving, navigation, etc. resulted in the situation, I would find it very hard to d ...[text shortened]... ve (especially if I had infants).
It's hard, but appropriate, to just appreciate the loss.
Originally posted by badmoonHey, I don't know the full situation.
Growing up in Minnesota, it was ingrained in us to remain at the car. I would have stayed with my family and prayed. But that was because we were taught that relentlessly as a survival tactic. He apparently wasn't exposed to that teaching. Therefore what he did was guided by heroism and what he thought he needed to do to save his family. he very well mi ...[text shortened]... yed all the while. Simply becuase he was naive does not make him anti-Christain or an atheist.
I probably would have done the same 'while praying' expecting God to answer. When the bear appeared I wouldve taken it as being sent by God. Ya.. TYG, KILL IT!!!
How hard would it be to kill a bear anyway? It can't be that hard.....
Originally posted by Orange PeelAm assuming you're joking about the bear. Large caliber firearm is about all that works.
Hey, I don't know the full situation.
I probably would have done the same 'while praying' expecting God to answer. When the bear appeared I wouldve taken it as being sent by God. Ya.. TYG, KILL IT!!!
How hard would it be to kill a bear anyway? It can't be that hard.....
Originally posted by impatientWe wont be turning off on some dirt road somwhere and see where it takes us.
Mountainous terrain yes - BUT STAY ON THE MAIN HIGHWAYS, NOT THE DIRT FOREST ROADS that are actually made and used mainly by the Forest Service, some hunters and SUMMER recreation. I live in Oregon, am going to the Coast today, and there are no shortages of main, paved, well travelled highways. We wont be turning off on some dirt road somwhere and see w ...[text shortened]... nt be more simple - stay on main paved, well traveled highways. Not backcountry dirt roads.
Sissy.
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I know the exact road he was on, because I have been on it before. It goes to Gold Beach on the coast and it is NOT a good road to take, even in the summer.
It is only wide enough for one vehicle, dirt switchback that goes for many miles. Nothing out there...NOTHING!
People use it to get to their claim property and that's it. Strangely enough, it is on the map as a normal road so I can understand how they could mistake it for a driveable road.
My family and I came across a Mountain Lion on that road last summer, on the way to the coast.
Edit: Honestly, I wouldn't go out there without a gun, a 4 wheel drive, and something to survive on (just in case).