he has had 3 kinds of seasons- MVP years, below average, and this current season...
yes, the only above average year he wasnt "#1" was this year!
just because its the position that gets all the credit i dont think he should go in.. we have brady, favre and manning all going in, and i dont think some of the lesser glamorous positions all get 3+
Originally posted by SuzianneIf he wins, he's a lock. If this were baseball, no way, but in football, winning is everything for a player's rep. If you win titles with 2 different teams and have 2 league MVPs and a Super Bowl MVP (or 2), you're in the HOF. All other numbers are basically irrelevant. I'm not saying they should be, but they are.
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Originally posted by sh76true. shouldnt be, but true..
If he wins, he's a lock. If this were baseball, no way, but in football, winning is everything for a player's rep. If you win titles with 2 different teams and have 2 league MVPs and a Super Bowl MVP (or 2), you're in the HOF. All other numbers are basically irrelevant. I'm not saying they should be, but they are.
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Originally posted by SmookiePHe's been in the league for more than 10 years. That's enough.
Didn't he spend a long time in Arena Football? Or maybe it was Canadian Football.. I forget, but he's only been in the NFL a relatively short time, I believe.
I personally don't think he's one of the best QBs of all time and thus I don't think he belongs in the HOF. He's a good player, but he really benefited from the great players like Holt and Bruce and Faulk in St Louis. I have to give him a lot of credit for this year, but he had a lot of mediocre seasons in between.
That having been said, if he wins this SB and has a big game (which means a SB MVP as QBs who have big games in the SB win MVPs), he's a stone cold lead pipe lock for the HOF. Take it to the bank.
Let's compare stats
Warner
yards 28,591, tds 182 ints 114, rtg 93.8 11 seasons
Aikman
TD: 165 Int: 141 Yds: 32,942 Rate: 81.6 12 seasons
Young
TD: 232 Int: 107 Yds: 33,124 Rate: 96.8 15 seasons
Jim Kelly
TD: 237 Int: 175 Yds: 35,467 Rate: 84.4 11 seasons
He already has more tds than Aikman with fewer ints. All qbs need to have good players around them to have good careers.
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Originally posted by dryhumpThat is not always true. See George Blanda, Fran Tarkington, Len Dawson, Joe Namath...none were surrounded by greats, and all are in the HOF.
Let's compare stats
Warner
yards 28,591, tds 182 ints 114, rtg 93.8 11 seasons
Aikman
TD: 165 Int: 141 Yds: 32,942 Rate: 81.6 12 seasons
Young
TD: 232 Int: 107 Yds: 33,124 Rate: 96.8 15 seasons
Jim Kelly
TD: 237 Int: 175 Yds: 35,467 Rate: 84.4 11 seasons
He already has more tds than Aikman with fewer ints. All qbs need to have good players around them to have good careers.
Then look at Kenny Stabler, Daryle Lamonica, Danny White & Craig Morton who were surrounded by loads of talent and are not in the HOF.
These are off the top of my head and I am sure there are plenty more examples of each.
Originally posted by shortcircuitGeorge Blanda must be in the HOF because he was a quarterback for so long, his numbers certainly don't bear it out. Who knows why Namath is in there, personality I guess. I don't think you can hold the level of talent against him, that's all I'm saying. I've never heard anyone say that steve young shouldn't be there because he had Jerry Rice to throw it to.
That is not always true. See George Blanda, Fran Tarkington, Len Dawson, Joe Namath...none were surrounded by greats, and all are in the HOF.
Then look at Kenny Stabler, Daryle Lamonica, Danny White & Craig Morton who were surrounded by loads of talent and are not in the HOF.
These are off the top of my head and I am sure there are plenty more examples of each.