I'm really very curious why too many players in the Red Hot Pawn make the choice for playing on in completely hopeless
positions or clearly lost positions. From aducational point of view: I honestly don't think that you will learn more from this than
starting a new game would do. I'm actualy rather certain than the opposite is very much the case. Learning to estimate when to
resign is an important thing in learning to estimate the value of a position, it's chances and posibilities. Resigning is a
statement of strength rather than weakness in my humble and honest view! Accept the loss and start again. In some way it has
something to do with respecting your opponent and sportsmanship, but i'm sure that anyone of you has felt at least one of
those feelings during playing a game inhere.
Anyone may play on as long as one likes to, in games with me, but I might start to make some remarks if I see that my
opponent is not playing on serious anymore but is in fact only making moves.
Do I oversee something here? Please say so!
Lets make the Red Hot Pawn an even beter place to stay!
The best possible, if possible ;-)
Hi KB,
RHP is used by players who have many different motivations for using
the site. Some people I know use the site with more emphasis on
chatting to their friends than on the game itself. Other players use
the site as a means of learning from their opponents and others are
very focused on playing their very best game and improving their
rating.
Personally, I try to play my best in each of my games and will usually
resign when the position is hopeless but I often fail to recognise a
hopeless position. Certainly I know many RHP users who are not
great chess players and many that are learning the game for the first
time. Even though it may not be useful to continue in a hopeless
position, a lot of players may not realise this, or even may not care!
One of my friends kept running with just a King against my Queen and
King and forced me to checkmate him. As I'm a poor
player I enjoyed the challenge but I can understand how some people
may take offense!
The solution to this problem seems to be to make it clear what type of
opponent you are looking for before starting a game. Hopefully we
can make this more possible when we add the optional player profiles.
Hope this helps!
Chris
If an opponent tells me that he/she likes to play on with a plausible reason. I will play on for sure, no problem, no offence. I'll
even add chat and have fun together and / or chess-technical remarks.
Player profiles optional is yet another great improvement on the RHP!
I'm just a newbie (did I spell that right?) but could I add a comment on this subject? In two recent games that I played (not on this site), my opponent had me running for my life right from the beginning. I can't remember when I felt so harrassed. I seriously considered resigning on more that one occassion but decided to press on. In the end both of them resigned to me. Certainly, this doesn't happen all the time but it does emphasize that one can sometimes be too quick to punch the "resign" button. I agree that there comes a time when resigning is the decent thing to do but there is also something to be said for tenacity.
Chrismo - As a player who has a normal rating far higher than my
beginning rating here at RHP I can empathize with Kingsize-Bishop's
remarks. However, since I also tutor younger players, I see such a
position as an opportunity to teach them something about the game
through the discussion of the moves that led to the current position
and through discussing as I move why I am moving in that manner.
Hopefully the end result of such a discussion is that the next time I
meet them, the game will be far more entertaining and enjoyable for
both of us.
As a sidelight, I'm not sure what you are planning with the optional
player profiles, but if it includes the ability to include a rating range of
players who may accept a public invite, it would be very helpful!
Although I enjoy teaching, I also enjoy a challenge and without such a
rating range limitation, it is very conceivable that a stronger player
would be discouraged from posting open invites. - John
I agree! But I also think that I am above average player, but my
ranking doesn't reflect that? because I am being beat by players who
are way above me, because I would rather play them than be seeking
out those I may be more reasonably sure of winning against (?). As of
this writing I have a 1202 :-) Which doesn't tell you much about me,
even checking my win/loss ratios. What's silly is that my ranking tells
you that my strength as a player is nearly the same as one who just
started :-) But if you saw my table of win/loss records, you might be
able to tell a different story... Not just who beat me and how many
times, but also who I have played to get the ranking I have received.
I guess this doesn't apply to this message. Sorry for getting off topic.
I do agree that a stronger player may not want to massacre a newbie.
I'm just in it for the fun. And if I learn something, I promise I won't
make a big deal about it :-) heheheh
--
Gerald
We're going to grey-out the ratings of players who have completed
fewer than five rated games so that it is more obvious that the rating
is not yet very meaningful.
Also, you will soon be able to specify a filter for who may
challenge you and accept your open invites.
Hopefully this will help,
Chris
I disagree with the idea of resigning a hopeless position. because i
don't think that there is a hopeless postion.. even when a queen
and king face a lone king there is still a good chance of a draw.. i
will not resign against a person who i don't know or respect thier
strengh as a chess player.. certain players i will resign in a lost
position cause i know they will not give me enough room to win
back material.. but i have also seen a players' skill increase two fold
when they are behind in material.. and of course thier opponent
declines in skill because of a feeling of comfort in a won position..
any one can blunder.. i play on in hope that my opponent will
blunder.. if i don't get the win, i may get the draw.. and as long as i
have a knight i'm dangerous
musashi
"oh.. that?! It's just a flesh wound! come on, have at you then.. i'll
bite your ankles off! oh running away are you?" Monty Phython's
flying circus-quest for the holy grail.
Originally posted by MUSASHI_98I agree.
I disagree with the idea of resigning a hopeless position. because i
don't think that there is a hopeless postion.. even when a queen
and king face a lone king there is still a good chance of a draw.. i
will not resign against a person who i don't know or respect thier
strengh as a chess player.. certain players i will resign in a lost
positio ...[text shortened]... les off! oh running away are you?" Monty Phython's
flying circus-quest for the holy grail.
Many a time (ok once or twice) i have scraped a draw from a so-called hopeless situation
Yours, In lateness
p.
No resigning a hopelessly lost position is disrespectful to your opponent. It's basically saying, "I know I'm down, but I think there's a good chance that you'll make a ridiculously stupid blunder and throw away the game.". Resigning shows that you have respect for your opponent's skill and judgement.
Originally posted by rbmorriswhat if you dont have respect for your oppnents judgement.
No resigning a hopelessly lost position is disrespectful to your opponent. It's basically saying, "I know I'm down, but I think there's a good chance that you'll make a ridiculously stupid blunder and throw away the game.". Resigning shows that you have respect for your opponent's skill and judgement.
Surely they are then learning to remains focused until the fat lady sings?
Originally posted by rbmorrisI never won any games by resigning. My opponent must mate me within the time constraints. If he doesn't he will not win. It is particularly poor tiqutte to call for your opponents to resign
No resigning a hopelessly lost position is disrespectful to your opponent. It's basically saying, "I know I'm down, but I think there's a good chance that you'll make a ridiculously stupid blunder and throw away the game.". Resigning shows that you have respect for your opponent's skill and judgement.