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Originally posted by rbmorrisI would actually like to get into a deeper discussion on the implications of China, india, and africa's future industrial growth. Although the ecological damage will be great, it would be hard for us in the west to impose restrictions on CO2 emissions from these countries, when the problems we face today ecologically are because of our own thoughtless advancement.
True. I think it's hard for everyone to get behind conservationism. However, attacks on Red Night...that's something we all can enjoy. 😀
It would also be worth noteing the "three gorges dam", an attempt by China to solve the porblems of their energy needs in an ecologically friendly way, and how they are at least trying to prevent the same thing happening.
It would be good to list all the small things we could individually do to help the enviroment, like to turn off that light that is burning away in the empty room, or taking the TV or PC off standby. . .if everybody did this, the small and many would indeed make a difference.
But Lets face it. . . . who cares ?
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundwhat about all the people starving around the world and the ones who struggle to make enough money to send their children to school, i'm sure they care if someone has left their tv or pc on standby.
I would actually like to get into a deeper discussion on the implications of China, india, and africa's future industrial growth. Although the ecological damage will be great, it would be hard for us in the west to impose restrictions on CO2 emissions from these countries, when the problems we face today ecologically are because of our own thoughtle ...[text shortened]... the small and many would indeed make a difference.
But Lets face it. . . . who cares ?
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Originally posted by huckleberryhoundHonestly, I feel sort of powerless over the whole thing. I live in northern California and I have to drive almost an hour every day to work beacuse the people living in fancy houses near the city won't let them run a train through thier county. Middle-aged millionaire hippies driving SUV's...don't even get me started on these damn people.
I would actually like to get into a deeper discussion on the implications of China, india, and africa's future industrial growth. Although the ecological damage will be great, it would be hard for us inthe west to impose restrictions on CO2 emissions from these countries, when the problems we face today ecologically are because of our own thoughtles the small and many would indeed make a difference.
But Lets face it. . . . who cares ?
So, there we all sit on a stupid two-lane highway waiting in traffic every morning, burning holes in the ozone layer...for what? I'd prefer a train, not just for the environment's sake, but just so I could sit back and get some reading done. Maybe put fewer miles on my car too.
I don't know. I guess I just think that a lot of the little things we do make us feel better as individuals, but in reality, have no appreciable impact. It's the big things that are beyond our control that'll kill us all.
Sorry. I'm feeling pessimistic at the moment.
Originally posted by rbmorriswhy not get 3 or 4 people who work in the same place as you do and drive to work together - in ONE car?
Honestly, I feel sort of powerless over the whole thing. I live in northern California and I have to drive almost an hour every day to work beacuse the people living in fancy houses near the city won't let them run a train through thier county. Middle-aged millionaire hippies driving SUV's...don't even get me started on these damn people.
So, there w ...[text shortened]... ond out control that'll kill us all.
Sorry. I'm feeling pessimistic at the moment.
Originally posted by rbmorrisIf everybody felt that way, nothing would be done. It is like the people who don't vote, and then complain about the government, if you don't vote you can't complain because you did nothing to try to change things when you had a chance.
Honestly, I feel sort of powerless over the whole thing. I live in northern California and I have to drive almost an hour every day to work beacuse the people living in fancy houses near the city won't let them run a train through thier county. Middle-aged millionaire hippies driving SUV's...don't even get me started on these damn people.
So, there w ...[text shortened]... ond out control that'll kill us all.
Sorry. I'm feeling pessimistic at the moment.
If everyone bought one less newspaper a week, or turned off a light, then the accumulative effect would indeed make a difference. Theres no way that everyone is going to think that way, and i'm sure someone will read this and do the exact opposite just to have a laugh, but something is better than nothing, don't you think ?
I'm no expert, and i'm no eco warrior either (although i did dabble when i was young), but the theory is pretty elementary.
Originally posted by trevor33We're a small office. Only about 8 people. Nobody lives anywhere close to me. Even if that wasn't true, it seems kind of silly that we're all squished together in a car, driving together every morning to work, trying to save the environment, and the whole problem could be solved so easily by building a damn train, ya know? So we're all stuffed in this car like a bunch of veal so some hypocritical idiot can protect his property values.
why not get 3 or 4 people who work in the same place as you do and drive to work together - in ONE car?
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Originally posted by huckleberryhoundYes, you're right. I guess even if I'm pessimistic and I don't feel like I can be part of the solution, at least I can choose to not be part of the problem. Good point.
If everybody felt that way, nothing would be done. It is like the people who don't vote, and then complain about the government, if you don't vote you can't complain because you did nothing to try to change things when you had a chance.
If everyone bought one less newspaper a week, or turned off a light, then the accumulative effect would indeed ior either (although i did dabble when i was young), but the theory is pretty elementary.
EDIT: Maybe that's not really what you meant, but that's my take on it. Either way, I guess it's somewhat constructive.
Originally posted by rbmorrisOne of the biggest things this country did (ireland) in my opinion, was to put a levy on plastic bags in the supermarket. Now everybody uses reuseable bags to save money, and the change is visible, even the streets are cleaner with less plastic bags lying around.
We're a small office. Only about 8 people. Nobody lives anywhere close to me. Even if that wasn't true, it seems kind of silly that we're all squished together in a car, driving together every morning to work, trying to save the environment, and the whole problem could be solved so easily by building a damn train, ya know? So we're all stuffed in this car like a bunch of veal so some hypocritical idiot can protect his property values.
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundok huck, i do a lot of the things that you and others have been talking in this thread - recycling, low energy light bulbs, turning things off etc. but what you're saying about the people who don't vote is complete crap. most areas results will go by the majority of a religion, class etc so in my opinion one vote for a different party is a waste of time.
If everybody felt that way, nothing would be done. It is like the people who don't vote, and then complain about the government, if you don't vote you can't complain because you did nothing to try to change things when you had a chance.
up here for example the dup gets the seat there i live every time, do i like it ? no. will 1 vote for someone else change anything? no - but i can still complain.
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Originally posted by trevor33I thought they had PR where you lived ?
ok huck, i do a lot of the things that you and others have been talking in this thread - recycling, low energy light bulbs, turning things off etc. but what you're saying about the people who don't vote is complete crap. most areas results will go by the majority of a religion, class etc so in my opinion one vote for a different party is a waste of time. ...[text shortened]... o i like it ? no. will 1 vote for someone else change anything? no - but i can still complain.
edit. that's just for the assembly, right ?. . .my bad.
I'll leave the voting argument for another thread if you don't mind.
Originally posted by huckleberryhoundthe electoral system here is a joke and the assembly - just ni politics in general 🙂 but yeah i'll leave it along, would just get annoyed anyway but do you get my point about not voting though?
I thought they had PR where you lived ?
edit. that's just for the assembly, right. . .my bad.
I'll leave the voting argument for another thread if you don't mind.
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Originally posted by trevor33No, and before you get annoyed, i'll explain why.
the electoral system here is a joke and the assembly - just ni politics in general 🙂 but yeah i'll leave it along, would just get annoyed anyway but do you get my point about not voting though?
There was only a 60% turnout at the last NI elections, and the DUP got all there seats with only 36% of the vote.
If everyone who was against them in NI voted, then even if they won there own constituancies, then nationally the figures would've given the opposition something to work with, and shown the levels of discontent better. You may not agree with this, but that is my opinion.