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Originally posted by EdwardipovThe quarrel is allright by itself, the choice of words however determents the level of play.
mate, he started it. i never flame unless it's as a retort. and one man's 'lesson in common decency' is another man's pompous ramblings. okay?
One strives for a high level of communication, normally...
But the last time I said something like that I was replied by being called a bitch...
Originally posted by NordlysWell we decided you could kill me if you wanted to. So I was correct about free will if I hadn't of let you have the option of killing me, I was at a small risk of losing an argument.
Well, you asked for it. Originally, it was purely hypothetical.
(To everyone as far is I can tell Nordlys is a nice person and not some kind of hitman(although I think Nordlys is female so hitwoman, it can be be hard to tell online))
Originally posted by Will EverittYou lost your argument anyway. I only have the option of killing you because you gave it to me. There are still many people I don't have the option to kill. I also still don't have the option to fly to Mars, or to see 3D. So my argument that free will is not the same as having unlimited options still stands.
Well we decided you could kill me if you wanted to. So I was correct about free will if I hadn't of let you have the option of killing me, I was at a small risk of losing an argument.
(although I think Nordlys is female so hitwoman, it can be be hard to tell online)
RHP Faces kind of gives it away. 😉
Originally posted by NordlysWhat I mean is that anything you go to do, you want to do, you can know god will not stop you and this is true for everyone its why there is evil, murder, rape. If you went to kill someone and god stoped you you would then not have free will.
You lost your argument anyway. I only have the option of killing you because you gave it to me. There are still many people I don't have the option to kill. I also still don't have the option to fly to Mars, or to see 3D. So my argument that free will is not the same as having unlimited options still stands.
[b](although I think Nordlys is female so hitwoman, it can be be hard to tell online)
RHP Faces kind of gives it away. 😉[/b]
Originally posted by Will EverittWell, if you assume there is an omnipotent and omniscient god who created us, you could say that he does stop us by limiting our abilities. Being omnipotent, he could give us all abilities we need to do whatever we might want to do (which he'd know because of his omniscience). That may be a bit different from stopping us doing something at the moment we attempt to do it by taking away an ability or putting in an obstacle or something. But if I recall correctly, the discussion was about whether we could have free will if we hadn't been given the ability - right from the start - to do evil. I still can't see why not, while most Christians on this site seem to think that free will can't exist without the ability to do evil.
What I mean is that anything you go to do, you want to do, you can know god will not stop you and this is true for everyone its why there is evil, murder, rape. If you went to kill someone and god stoped you you would then not have free will.
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Originally posted by NordlysWell I will start by saying that there is no god. But for the purpose of argument with some people you have to speak as though there is.
Well, if you assume there is an omnipotent and omniscient god who created us, you could say that he does stop us by limiting our abilities. Being omnipotent, he could give us all abilities we need to do whatever we might want to do (which he'd know because of his omniscience). That may be a bit different from stopping us doing something at the moment we atte nk that free will can't exist without the ability to do evil.
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"limiting our abilities" well man can do a hell of a lot really some people are in the power to kill and not be punished. Some people have the power to launch missiles halfway accross the globe and destroy citys. As for me if I wanted I could get a knife and roam from house to house.
I think that if there were a god we would have evil+free will or no free will and no evil. (unless he was a better designer)
Also by evil somepeople could say this is anything the bible is against but murder is a good example that can be used.
Can you have a sentence that is all in brackets?
Originally posted by Will EverittI believe the thread you're looking for is in the spirituality forum. Now, get!..
Well I will start by saying that there is no god. But for the purpose of argument with some people you have to speak as though there is.
"limiting our abilities" well man can do a hell of a lot really some people are in the power to kill and not be punished. Some people have the power to launch missiles halfway accross the globe and destroy citys. As ...[text shortened]... murder is a good example that can be used.
Can you have a sentence that is all in brackets?
Originally posted by Will EverittOf course. That's why I said "if you assume". Personally I am agnostic (as you probably know by now), but I think an omnipotent and omniscient god is extremely unlikely, to say the least.
Well I will start by saying that there is no god.
"limiting our abilities" well man can do a hell of a lot really some people are in the power to kill and not be punished.
Sure. I am not saying that we can't do evil or that there are very few things we can do, I am just saying that there are a lot of things we can't do.
I think that if there were a god we would have evil+free will or no free will and no evil. (unless he was a better designer)
I am not sure what you mean by "unless he was a better designer".
Can you have a sentence that is all in brackets?
(Yes, I can.) (Does that show that I have free will? )
Originally posted by NordlysHey Nordlys
Of course. That's why I said "if you assume". Personally I am agnostic (as you probably know by now), but I think an omnipotent and omniscient god is extremely unlikely, to say the least.
[b]"limiting our abilities" well man can do a hell of a lot really some people are in the power to kill and not be punished.
Sure. I am not saying that we can't ...[text shortened]... that is all in brackets?[/b]
(Yes, I can.) (Does that show that I have free will? )[/b]
Are you familiar with the teachings of the infinitely wise Flying Spaghetti Monster more commonly know as FSM. Even atheists have found themselves swayed to become one of his followers.