Originally posted by T1000A very spirited counterattack, I must say. You have proven yourself to be a valiant opponent and I relinquish the field to you, sir. But I do not think your way of "playing the game" is all that different.
The sad thing is that if I was to go on about Xena or whatever it is you refer to you'd still run with it and jump on it. Oh you poor man. On the contrary Robert. A very worthwhile exercise in setting someone up.
While you get your kicks and smiles in having phony unnecessarily aggressive word battles in the clan forums in "maniacal clan leader mode" I p ...[text shortened]... ifferent people, different ways of "playing the game".
T1000
Leader of The Bad Bishops
-Rob (not Robert)
Leader of the Freethinkers
Best film at the movies has to be The Matrix Reloaded. Partly because I won tickets to the Belfast Premier but seriously excellent. Can't wait for the next installment in November. On DVD I have just seen an Australian film, Rabbit Proof Fence. Any Australians with an opinion about it. For music people check out the soundtrack by the incomparable Peter Gabriel. The film itself was an eye-openner into the aboriginal struggle in the mid 1900's up until the 1970's😠
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Originally posted by thepunterI saw RPF last year, and thought it was a really good movie about a major social issue here in Australia. For those who haven't seen it, the film is set in the time of the 'stolen generation', up until the mid-20C or so. The 'stolen generation' relates to the practice of removing Aboriginal children from their families to live with white people. The idea was that they would become 'assimilated' into white society. It sounds medieval today, but i think at the time, the government thought they were helping them (this comes across in the film, i think). Australia really does have some black spots on its history - Aboriginals didn't get the vote until the 1960s and up until about the same time, there was a 'white Australia' immigration policy. things have changed in a way, but Aboriginal communities (generally) still experience very much higher rates of unemployment, substance abuse, poor health, incarcaration, domestic and sexual violence, and poverty than the wider population. the current conservative government doesn't seem particularly sympathetic to their plight. if you enjoyed RPF, i recommend 'Yolngu Boy' as well...
On DVD I have just seen an Australian film, Rabbit Proof Fence. Any Australians with an opinion about it. For music people check out the soundtrack by the incomparable Peter Ga itself was an eye-openner into the aboriginal struggle in the mid 1900's up until the 1970's😠
David
PS as for 'the aboriginal struggle in the mid 1900's up until the 1970's', i would suggest that the struggle actually began with the first white settlement in 1788...
PPS I think Aboriginals had the vote in some states until Fedewration in 1901, when they lost it for the next 60-70 or so years. Something like that...
Originally posted by dfm65There's always Lust For Life, starring Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn, which is about Vincent Van Gogh. That was a good movie. Then there was Basquiat, about Jean Michel Basquiat, which had David Bowie playing Andy Warhol. I thought that was also a good movie.
Has anybody seen that film about the life of Mexican painter Frida Kahlo? It's a lot better than Pollock, IMHO. Are there any other movies about the lives of famous painters? I think I've seen one on Toulouse Lautrec, but i can't remember what it is called...
I'll have to disagree with your assessment of Pollock, however. I thought that was a fine film.
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Originally posted by rwingettI have to admit, it DID encourage me to go see Blue Poles again. That's the only Pollock i've seen 'live' so to speak. I thought the film was quite good, but enjoyed the FK movie more. One thing i would have liked to have seen come out more in Pollock is the slightly artificial nature of his fame. As the theory goes, the Cold War hunt for a contemporary 'great American painter' was on, and Pollock became the annointed one, much as Faulkner was apparently singled out for literary fame decades after his work was first published, for similarly politically-tinged reasons.
I'll have to disagree with your assessment of [b]Pollock, however. I thought that was a fine film.[/b]
Originally posted by dfm65I've never heard that one before. I think Pollock richly deserved the accolades he won. He helped usher in the whole abstract expressionist movement, along with artists like Mark Rothko, Franz Kline, Adolph Gottlieb, and others. I think his fame may have been helped along by his erratic lifestyle and untimely death. He fit the public's perception of the "tortured artist". But I don't think his art would continue to resonate as much as it does today if he had been politically promoted.
I have to admit, it DID encourage me to go see Blue Poles again. That's the only Pollock i've seen 'live' so to speak. I thought the film was quite good, but enjoyed the FK movie more. One thing i would have liked to have seen come out more in Pollock is the slightly artificial nature of his fame. As the theory goes, the Cold War hunt for a contemporary ' ...[text shortened]... erary fame decades after his work was first published, for similarly politically-tinged reasons.
Originally posted by rwingettI'm not claiming that he was an untalented hack, or anything of the sort, merely that the art 'fame game' is such that getting an influential critic onside seems pretty important to the process. In fact, despite my earlier posting, i think this did come across a bit in the movie. As you point out, he fitted the public perception of the tortured artist so he was ideal fodder for the whole fame making machinery. i guess the question here is: does talent=fame in the art world? i don't think it does. as for abstract expressionism, well i enjoy it but this is an age when monkeys and elephant art can be mistaken for that done by humans, so who knows?
I've never heard that one before. I think Pollock richly deserved the accolades he won. He helped usher in the whole abstract expressionist movement, along with artists like Mark Rothko, Franz Kline, Adolph Gottlieb, and others. I think his fame may have been helped along by his erratic lifestyle and untimely death. He fit the public's perception of the ...[text shortened]... is art would continue to resonate as much as it does today if he had been politically promoted.
Originally posted by dfm65I will look out for/get that film.
I saw RPF last year, and thought it was a really good movie about a major social issue here in Australia. For those who haven't seen it, the film is set in the time of the 'stolen generation', up until the mid-20C or so. The 'stolen generation' relates to the practice of removing Aboriginal children from their families to live with white people. The idea ...[text shortened]... il Fedewration in 1901, when they lost it for the next 60-70 or so years. Something like that...
Thanks.
Linda
Originally posted by missleadno worries. btw, the rpf of the title is a fence thousands of kilometres long built to control a rabbit plague. the Aboriginal children who are taken from their family use it to guide themselves back to their community. historical sidenote: eventually the rabbit disease myxamatosis was used to wipe out most of the rabbits.
I will look out for/get that film.
Thanks.
Linda
Originally posted by dfm65Does that mean that Australia has finally dealt with its rabbit problem?
no worries. btw, the rpf of the title is a fence thousands of kilometres long built to control a rabbit plague. the Aboriginal children who are taken from their family use it to guide themselves back to their community. historical sidenote: eventually the rabbit disease myxamatosis was used to wipe out most of the rabbits.
Originally posted by AcolyteI'm afraid not. Myxamatosis was a failed experiment and rabbits are still terrorising farmers all over Australia. They also tried introducing foxes to control the rabbits, but unfortunately the foxes found native Australia wildlife easier to catch. What a mess...
Does that mean that Australia has finally dealt with its rabbit problem?