i know a fair bit about computers but networking aint my line so any help with this would be much appreciated. I have tried google, deja.com etc but im going round in circles and its making me dizzy.
ok heres the deal:
I've got:
~ One WinXP (SP2) machine which I use to connect (via (USB) ASDL modem) to broadband - works fine.
~ One Win98 machine (unable to upgrade to WinXP due to crapness of mother board)
~ One crossover cable (no router)
I want to share an internet connection and possibly even files over both PC's. (im not even worried about files as long as i can get the internet connection shared)
I have tried the "network setup wizard" for XP machine and also created a disc for running on the Win98 machine, both say that they have completed successfully.... but no internet connection is available and i cant share files. (to be honest i cant see that it did anything on the Win98 machine at all)
i have since tried manually configuring it (after searching google, deja etc. and getting loads of stuff which seemed to send me round in circles), now i dont know if something i have set has made things worse.
although either will complain if i switch the other off with a "network cable has been unplugged" message, i can't ping the machines from one another.
i know the crossover cable is not to blame as i can use this for putting the PS2 online. now the PS2 uses a different internet connection (with ICS enabled) than the default broadband connection but i cant seem to use either with the Win98 machine.
SO! ... Does anyone here with a Win98 & WinXP machine connected by crossover cable which share an internet connection have any tips?? or does anyone know of an online resource which details how to manually configure this specific setup (which you have used and you know works)?
NOTE: any suggestions to switch OS away from windows will be ignored as it is not even a remote option in this case.
He he. I struggled with this for weeks. Then the mofo just decided to work of it's own accord whilst I was smoking a cigarette and contemplating a complete re install.
To be honest with you, with XP and ICS(Internet connection sharing) it is a buggar to get to work on a machine that has been up and running for some time. I found Win2K a lot more understanding.
But here's how I did it with two XP machines. I think you would be better off using the XP machine as the host: -
Disconnect both machines from the Internet.
Disable any firewalls that you have on both machines.(try to configure them to restart on windows restart)
Host machine
IP settings for LAN connection set to something such as 192.168.0.1 (This is, in the main an arbitrary IP number)
Right click on Internet Connection in Network connections. Properties. Select sharing Tab and click the 'Allow internet connection sharing'.
For 98 machine as guest: -
LAN settings 'Obtain an IP address automagically'
Bring up the host machine first. Then bring up the guest machine.
Now you should in theory be able to surf the Internet on your guest machine.
If it doesn't work, on the guest machine enter into command prompt and enter 'ipconfig'.
This should show you if the machine has picked up it's auto config address from the host, and should also have the '192.168.0.1' as the gateway. If it does not, try rebooting a couple of times.
Also check that yuo really do have a crossover cable and not a straight. I've heard of some poor sausage trying for days on end to get his connectoin sharing up and running only to discover that the numpty in the shop sold him the wrong type.
If this fails, try this: -
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics
Originally posted by jimslyp69ty for your reply, sounds mostly like stuff i have tried a good few times but i have been through it so many times i cant remember what the fork i have and haven't done at any one time lol
He he. I struggled with this for weeks. Then the mofo just decided to work of it's own accord whilst I was smoking a cigarette and contemplating a complete re install.
To be honest with you, with XP and ICS(Internet connection sharing) it is a buggar to get to work on a machine that has been up and running for some time. I found Win2K a lot more understan ...[text shortened]... rong type.
If this fails, try this: -
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics
i am defo wanting to use the XP as host and i am certain that it is indeed a crossover cable (i made it) and it does work fine (at least it does with my PS2)
i suppose i was hoping for someone to rply with "this is a common problem ... you need to _____________, and all your problems will be sorted" lol
at least you have managed to do it - i was starting to think that it just wasnt possible. im gonna go for it again tmrw and see how i get on.
cheers dude
Originally posted by MCAWell this may sound a bit drastic but....... 😲
ty for your reply, sounds mostly like stuff i have tried a good few times but i have been through it so many times i cant remember what the fork i have and haven't done at any one time lol
i am defo wanting to use the XP as host and i am certain that it is indeed a crossover cable (i made it) and it does work fine (at least it does with my PS2)
i suppose i ...[text shortened]... at it just wasnt possible. im gonna go for it again tmrw and see how i get on.
cheers dude
... My XP ICS was crap and persisted on being unreliable. I had to repeatedly reboot the guest machine sometimes just to pick up the autconfig IP addy. Sooooooo I eventually reprepped it and it worked straight away. A common problem I have been told. SO if you've got a couple of hours spare...
Also, I know that you said a change of OS was out of the question, but do consider changing over to 2K. I found it a hell of a lot more reliable for ICS
when installed on the guest machine.
Hope this helps
Jim.
Originally posted by jimslyp69upgrade to 2k is something i have considered, it was only the switch from away from windows that is out of the question. i dont see it handling XP too well (its only 633Mhz with around 300Mb RAM) but it might handle 2k i think😕
Well this may sound a bit drastic but....... 😲
... My XP ICS was crap and persisted on being unreliable. I had to repeatedly reboot the guest machine sometimes just to pick up the autconfig IP addy. Sooooooo I eventually reprepped it and it worked straight away. A common problem I have been told. SO if you've got a couple of hours spare...
Also, I k ...[text shortened]... f a lot more reliable for ICS
when installed on the guest machine.
Hope this helps
Jim.
anyone who knows better than I please input cause im not even sure
note to skeeter:
cheers but i understand the difference - it was originally a straight through cable which i converted specificaly for this purpose (and the PS2 of course, which is what annoys me the most. i setup the connection for that no problem at all ... ... ok, very few problems).
the idea was that it was much cheaper than the ADSL router suggested by Crowley and just as easy, or so i was told.
think im gonna reprep the whole lot and start again tmrw (ok maybe wednesday lol) and see how things go.
cheers all
Originally posted by MCAYes, it will handle 2K quite adequately. No more bump and grind, and still quite a nice user interface. Linux would work fine too, and is pretty esay to set up for browsing. But let's not go there eh? 😛
upgrade to 2k is something i have considered, it was only the switch from away from windows that is out of the question. i dont see it handling XP too well (its only 633Mhz with around 300Mb RAM) but it might handle 2k i think😕
anyone who knows better than I please input cause im not even sure
note to skeeter:
cheers but i understand the difference ...[text shortened]... the whole lot and start again tmrw (ok maybe wednesday lol) and see how things go.
cheers all
you'll need a router (either software or heardware) if you want to connect both computers at the same time. i used to use LANSuite, and my dad still does. it's free! http://www.software602.com/products/ls/.one way of doing this would be to run one computer through the other one, with the one closest to the internet as the router. i'm not sure if this would work-i wasn't able to connect two computers without using a hub for some reason...
also-make sure that they are on the same workgroup.
Could you confirm that you have 98 SE on one of the computers as opposed to 98?
I have a laptop that is on ICS and it has only 128MB RAM, which is about the lowest recommended [with xp]- still works ok tho. It is also the host for a desktop too. [no hub,no router,just a crossover cable]
More RAM is better of course but in my case some just broke so until I get more I use what I have. 🙁
Originally posted by MCAhttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/upgrading/sysreqs.mspx
upgrade to 2k is something i have considered, it was only the switch from away from windows that is out of the question. i dont see it handling XP too well (its only 633Mhz with around 300Mb RAM) but it might handle 2k i think😕
anyone who knows better than I please input cause im not even sure
note to skeeter:
cheers but i understand the difference ...[text shortened]... the whole lot and start again tmrw (ok maybe wednesday lol) and see how things go.
cheers all
And if you've only got a modem (as opposed to a Router) than you're going to be needing a hub.
Originally posted by Daemon Sinhe'll still need the router though-the modem only given him one IP address but he'll need two-one for each computer-to connect both at once as the router distributes IP addresses. his crossover cable takes the place of the hub. i think.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/upgrading/sysreqs.mspx
And if you've only got a modem (as opposed to a Router) than you're going to be needing a hub.
Originally posted by geniusNo you don't. I've set up plenty of networks for mutiple machines with just a single modem and a network hub. Besides, you can't have 2 modems on the same ADSL - you'd only ever get connectivity on one of them.
he'll still need the router though-the modem only given him one IP address but he'll need two-one for each computer-to connect both at once as the router distributes IP addresses. his crossover cable takes the place of the hub. i think.
EDIT: Sorry, I just re-read this thread and realised you meant 2 IP addresses - I thought you meant he needed 2 modems 😕
Originally posted by Daemon Sinit should go internet-modem-hub-computers
No you don't. I've set up plenty of networks for mutiple machines with just a single modem and a network hub. Besides, you can't have 2 modems on the same ADSL - you'd only ever get connectivity on one of them.
http://www.utexas.edu/its/wireless/install/install_router.html read the first paragraph. you may be using hubs that act as routers but you've only got one IP address which you need to share between your computers. the router does this, a hub does not.
Originally posted by Dr Strangeloveyup Win98 SE and i dont think its the RAM thats the issue with upgrading to XP but more the processor speed (633Mhz)
Could you confirm that you have 98 SE on one of the computers as opposed to 98?
I have a laptop that is on ICS and it has only 128MB RAM, which is about the lowest recommended [with xp]- still works ok tho. It is also the host for a desktop too. [no hub,no router,just a crossover cable]
More RAM is better of course but in my case some just broke so until I get more I use what I have. 🙁