My Networking dumbness?

Originally posted by jimslyp69
From one pedant to another, you just have.

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Originally posted by Wheely
I can be a lot more pedantic than that!!

The original claim was that "you don't need router", not that "you don't need an external hardware router".

Doesn't seem too pedantic to me to point out that you must have a router. If you like, I'll add that routing on its own is not good enough and you actually need ip forwarding but I didn't want to go down that road.

Well, technically, the original claim was "You don't need 2 modems". It just got a bit misinterpreted 🙄

Originally posted by Wheely
I can be a lot more pedantic than that!!

The original claim was that "you don't need router", not that "you don't need an external hardware router".

Doesn't seem too pedantic to me to point out that you must have a router. If you like, I'll add that routing on its own is not good enough and you actually need ip forwarding but I didn't want to go down that road.

I've never heard of a host computer using ICS being called a router.
That's a new one to me.

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I've never heard of a host computer using ICS being called a router.
That's a new one to me.

could have been your modem acting as a router and modem combined then? can you connect both computers to the net at once?

Originally posted by genius
could have been your modem acting as a router and modem combined then? can you connect both computers to the net at once?

Who?
If you are asking me - mine is a usb adsl modem - no router involved in that.

I have no problem connecting to the internet on both computers at the same time.

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I've never heard of a host computer using ICS being called a router.
That's a new one to me.

A device which takes ip packets from one network and "routes" it to another is called a router. This is what happens in the above scenario.

Your ISP usually allows one machine to be a host on their network but they don't let you set up other machines on the same network. This is why your home network is a private one and packets from different machines get "routed" to your ISP's network and ip forwarding is used to make it look like all traffic comes from the same machine.

It probably is possible to wire more than one machine into the back of your modem but I suspect you wouldn't be able to give them all an IP address even if you could prevent address clashes.

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Who?
If you are asking me - mine is a usb adsl modem - no router involved in that.

I have no problem connecting to the internet on both computers at the same time.

If both computers plug into the ADSL modem (which I doubt) then it IS a router and if not then one of your machines is the router. The only exception to this is if you are using a hub which is also a router.

I think this underlines my original point though. Although Microsoft make it easier to set things up when they stop using the correct terminology and make you install software with practically any device you buy (without telling you what it does), it makes it very difficult to solve any problems that pop up. In the end, nobody knows what they really have on their machines any more.

Originally posted by Wheely
If both computers plug into the ADSL modem (which I doubt) then it IS a router and if not then one of your machines is the router. The only exception to this is if you are using a hub which is also a router.

I think this underlines my original point though. Although Microsoft make it easier to set things up when they stop using the correct terminology an ...[text shortened]... roblems that pop up. In the end, nobody knows what they really have on their machines any more.

I don't use a hub and I don't use a router [in the conventional meaning of the word] as when using ICS with two computers all I need is a crossover cable.
You may call the host computer a "router" but like I said, I've never heard it referred to like that before.


My modem connects to the host computer only.

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
I don't use a hub and I don't use a router [in the conventional meaning of the word] as when using ICS with two computers all I need is a crossover cable.
You may call the host computer a "router" but like I said, I've never heard it referred to like that before.


My modem connects to the host computer only.

I've just been looking into ICS because I've not heard of it before. It is basically just NAT software (Network Address Translation). NAT is pretty much a combination of routing and ip forwarding.

I must say that this isn't the most fascinating subject in the world but one advantage of having the external wireless (or otherwise) router is that you don't need both machines to actually be on for them both to use the internet. I know many people leave their machines on all the time but I personally am a bit old fashioned in this respect and prefer my machines off 🙂

Originally posted by Wheely
one advantage of having the external wireless (or otherwise) router is that you don't need both machines to actually be on for them both to use the internet.

what are you guys like? i leave you both for an afternoon and look at the mess you have made... look at the bloody state of this thread 😠😉

i am aware of this drawback but im happy to go with it for now (at least until i can afford a full on wireless router/modem thingimi-jig)

ok so now that the smoke has cleared it seems clear that this can be done with just a crossover cable and no hub or router (that is router in the most common sense of the word - i have also never heard of the host machine being refered to as a router, only ever the host).

before i posted here i had heard that if i upgraded to XP then it would just be "a few buttons and the jobs a goodun" and also heard multiple occurences of "98?! bollox that, its a nightmare just upgrade". shame its such an old crap thing and would just fall over laughing if i even inserted the XP disc lol

och well ill give it another go and see how i get on.

cheers all.

(and try to play nice till i get back 😉)