Originally posted by Bosse de NageThat's what I've been arguing. There is no such thing as a culturally English person, but there is such a thing as English culture.
Which consists of what?
Some people confuse the notion of "English culture" with the stereotype of an English person. This couldn't be more off.
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Originally posted by StarrmanHis point was that all thing equal, one would be more likely to stand shoulders to shoulders if that person was family.
You know nothing about your family?
Love for one's father, all things being equal, is an accident of birth. Does that make that love less legitimate?
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Originally posted by PalynkaBut it's not an accident of birth which makes you love them, it's knowing that person for your whole life and the experiences attached. I don't believe in unconditional love, but tha's another discussion, lets try and keep on topic.
His point was that all thing equal, one would be more likely to stand shoulders to shoulders if that person was family.
Love for one's father, all things being equal, is an accident of birth. Does that make that love less legitimate?
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The post that was quoted here has been removedI'm not being facetious, your analogy fails because of that. And again you're confusing your cultural heritage with a national identity. Your personal makeup is not due tot he same factors as Joe Blogs from Bognor. They might be similar, but to say you have enough in common by being from the same country is, to my mind, bizarre.
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Originally posted by StarrmanI don't believe in unconditional love, either. The "all things equal" is an essential point.
But it's not an accident of birth which makes you love them, it's knowing that person for your whole life and the experiences attached. I don't believe in unconditional love, but tha's another discussion, lets try and keep on topic.
Your baby is born, but you couldn't be there when it was born. When you arrive, there are 15 different babies. The second the nurse tells you which one is yours, you'll love that one more than the others. Do you agree?
Originally posted by PalynkaYou'll care for and come to love that one, yes. I didn't love my son when he was born, that love grew over time.
I don't believe in unconditional love, either. The "all things equal" is an essential point.
Your baby is born, but you couldn't be there when it was born. When you arrive, there are 15 different babies. The second the nurse tells you which one is yours, you'll love that one more than the others. Do you agree?
Originally posted by PalynkaNo, seriously, he was just a thing that needed looking after and gave nothing back until he began to interact with the world around him. If there was any connection it was because my partner and I had experienced him in the womb as having an effect on our world before he was born. Did we love him then? No, I really don't believe so, something else, a duty or something.
By just sleeping and crapping on you? Come on. You loved him because he was yours, even before he could communicate in any meaningful way.
This is getting way off track...
Originally posted by StarrmanDon't buy it, sorry. I guess this kills the debate, but it's how I feel.
No, seriously, he was just a thing that needed looking after and gave nothing back until he began to interact with the world around him. If there was any connection it was because my partner and I had experienced him in the womb as having an effect on our world before he was born. Did we love him then? No, I really don't believe so, something else, a duty or something.
This is getting way off track...
Originally posted by PalynkaI'm not going to appeal to your lack of experience in the matter since I am utterly sure that there will be a whole load of other dads coming in here outraged. For now lets just agree that we disagree.
Don't buy it, sorry. I guess this kills the debate, but it's how I feel.
Originally posted by StarrmanHeck, I love my niece just because she's my brother's. In my eyes, it's honestly the cutest baby I've ever seen (as I'm really not a baby person). 🙂
I'm not going to appeal to your lack of experience in the matter since I am utterly sure that there will be a whole load of other dads coming in here outraged. For now lets just agree that we disagree.
Shallow me. 😉