Nationality, Patriotism and Identity

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No idea, whatever they claim to be can you consider them all to have their claims based upon the same definitions? Or is it that they each have their own subjective and aesthetic view on what it is to be what they each consider themselves to be?

I am ......... does not mean we are both ........ and a whole nation taking pride in being ....... doesn't make sense to me.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Just kidding. In these discussions you come across as almost completely humourless. It's puzzling.

Unfortunately, in my philosophy I glaze over and as such am humourless, always.

A philosophical joke:

Q: What is not red?
A: No tomatoes

I feel Heidegger would have liked that one.

Originally posted by Starrman
What you wrongly suppose to be a Puritan outlook is in fact a desire not to accept the way I am told the world is by others, to seek the reduction of existence into its parts. Along the way I take umbrage with ideas that put such silly notions as national pride up in the importance stakes.

Starrman: the most dogmatic freethinker. 😵

Originally posted by Palynka
Starrman: the most dogmatic freethinker. 😵

Such is my curse. I find it hard to vote liberal sometimes too.

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I also think that when such cultural traits are put in the perspective of 'pride', then I certainly think that the first association is obviously the one with the notion of 'national pride'.

I find that abhorrent because it puts a particular culture on a pedestal. This is why I avoid the use of 'pride' when I speak of the love I have for my country and my roots.

Originally posted by Starrman
Such is my curse. I find it hard to vote liberal sometimes too.

Don't worry about it. Apart from giving birth to the kind of depressing boorishness epitomised by the worst of Ingerlish football culture, the Puritans -- by taking things too seriously -- also helped set the scene for scientific materialism.

Originally posted by Palynka

I find that abhorrent because it puts a particular culture on a pedestal. This is why I avoid the use of 'pride' when I speak of the love I have for my country and my roots.

Yes, I'd rather be able to say I love my country than I'm proud of it.

Looking at the title of this thread, it seems an excellent slogan for some nascent political party gathering in small groups in a pub near you ...

Would Gay Pride sound better as Gay Love? Most probably ...

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Don't worry about it. Apart from giving birth to the kind of depressing boorishness epitomised by the worst of Ingerlish football culture, the Puritans -- by taking things too seriously -- also helped set the scene for scientific materialism.

Woot! Scientific Materialism Rules!

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Skinheads are somewhat picturesque, I suppose. Reminiscent of the thuggish London apprentices of yester-year, albeit unemployed. Better yob culture than none whatsoever, eh?

Originally posted by Starrman
Woot!

If Bacon only knew where progress would lead.