Originally posted by PhlabibitPeople are going to believe what they want to believe. It really makes no difference if the Government said it was a missile, a plane, or a reflection on a cloud. What ever story the government claims is what will believed if it is what the masses want to hear, regardless of fact, proof or lack of proof. The real conspiracy is lack of scepticism. Scepticism is what made someone prove the World was round instead of flat like the government had told everyone. Columbus proved the Government wrong. Politicians lie and Governments lie. It doesn't matter if it makes people angry or not. We are supposed to search for the truth. It is a matter of civil duty. It might prove the Government correct, or it might not. But blind trust is no different than aiding and abetting a fraud. At this point the Government is innocent until proven guilty. I don't believe there is a statute of limitation into the gathering of evidence. Oh, why the secrecy if there is nothing to hide? Please answer. I am sceptical of any theory until I see real proof. I haven't seen it yet. The truth is a secret. Wonder why? The Jury is still out.
I believe now. I didn't want to, but here we are. Well done.
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Originally posted by cashthetrashyes you are right when you say people will believe what they want to believe, but many people find it hard to believe that a government could be capable of such an act.since 9/11 the bush administration has shown their true colours,by practicing massive deception ,sanctioning torture and terror.
People are going to believe what they want to believe. It really makes no difference if the Government said it was a missile, a plane, or a reflection on a cloud. What ever story the government claims is what will believed if it is what the masses want to hear, regardless of fact, proof or lack of proof. The real conspiracy is lack of scepticism. Scepti ...[text shortened]... real proof. I haven't seen it yet. The truth is a secret. Wonder why? The Jury is still out.
For example of past deeds by the american government you only have to look at the fabrication of an attack on a us boat in the gulf of tonkin incident as a pretext for massively escalated involvement in vietnam.Operation Northwoods, a plan drawn up in 1962 for the invasion of Cuba.In other words it is not difficult to believe that the worst is possible and the bush administration had motives ,means and opportunity
Originally posted by boarmanHaving actually worked for a government (not Bush's), I can confidently tell you that if you have to choose between a 'conspiracy' and a 'stuff-up', the latter is always far more likely.
yes you are right when you say people will believe what they want to believe, but many people find it hard to believe that a government could be capable of such an act.since 9/11 the bush administration has shown their true colours,by practicing massive deception ,sanctioning torture and terror.
For example of past deeds by the american government you only ...[text shortened]... elieve that the worst is possible and the bush administration had motives ,means and opportunity
If there IS some deep dark government-within-a-government that has the organisational capacity to engineer a strike on the Pentagon to coincide with a terrorist attack, I wish to God they would come round where I work and explain how we can avoid the last-minute panic that seems to occur every time we go to Senate Estimates, even though we know months in advance when it's going to happen.
Originally posted by orfeojust like the white house staff knew in advance to take cipro the anti anthrax medication.They took it on 9/11 way before the anthrax letters were sent, so someone in the government knew
Having actually worked for a government (not Bush's), I can confidently tell you that if you have to choose between a 'conspiracy' and a 'stuff-up', the latter is always far more likely.
If there IS some deep dark government-within-a-government that has the organisational capacity to engineer a strike on the Pentagon to coincide with a terrorist attack, I w ...[text shortened]... e go to Senate Estimates, even though we know months in advance when it's going to happen.
Originally posted by orfeoFirst you have to determine if it was a "Terrorist attack" or a "Mercenary contract." Who paid for it. Who was involved and why. It baffles me that we are told the perpetrators came from Saudi Arabia. (Money flow) Yet we retaliate against Afghanistan. Forget about Yosemite Sam Laden. And then move over to Iraq. We know according to the US Government that the so called "Terrorists" were trained on United States own soil. So does that make America itself a "terrorist nation"? Should we have attacked ourselves?
Having actually worked for a government (not Bush's), I can confidently tell you that if you have to choose between a 'conspiracy' and a 'stuff-up', the latter is always far more likely.
If there IS some deep dark government-within-a-government that has the organisational capacity to engineer a strike on the Pentagon to coincide with a terrorist attack, I w ...[text shortened]... e go to Senate Estimates, even though we know months in advance when it's going to happen.
We talk about "nuclear threats" as a reason to attack 'Iraq' and now turn it towards 'Iran'. Yet when we hear about 'India and Pakistan' setting off 'nuclear testing' in their Countries we say nothing? Instead we give them important Business contracts. Aren't there 'terrorist organisations' there too? I don't know this whole thing stinks to me.
I know there are real problems with 'Terrorism'. But something must be causing them to to want to fight us. What is it? What is the rest of the story? There is always two sides and I am interested to know what it is. I am not buying the "Holy War." conspiracy theory. There is nothing "Holy" about it. It might be a way to manipulate people, but there has to be more. I say it is money pure and simple. Everyone wants to sell their brands of fat burgers and fries. The other side doesn't want their people forced to buy our Christian nations child pornography.
I am not sure that any underground Governments are worried about your panic. Panic is what they want. Panic causes people to over react and be confused and well...panic.
we get told the perpetrators came from saudi arabia but we are failing to see the bush -saudi connection.the days following 9/11 saudi nationals were evacuated from the us which included members of the saudi royal family and bin laden family, when all flights were supposedly grounded.
carl unger claims in his book that 1.4 billion dollars in contracts and investments were made by leading saudi families to companies associated with the bush family and their cronies,the carlyle group and harken energy are just two and thats where george dubya made his fortune.
there seems to be a lot in it for the saudis ,they have been close friends of two presidents who both staged war in the region,and were also active in helping shape US policy as members of policy making bodies.
Originally posted by 7ate9Kind of an idiot thing to say though. I can't see it as being a Hero. That is way wrong. When ever things like this happen, it is always the innocents that get punished and hurt. It's messed up. What is so bad is there are honestly people here in the US that don't know there is a War going on. Out of site out of mind. And many could care less so long as it is somewhere else. But then there a lot of good people who wish it would stop and never happened. And wish the people in Washington would do what is moral and right. But can't do a thing to stop them.
it's a while since i watched it live, but i think they didn't suspect bin larden at first. i can't really remember, but you'd think whoever was responsible would be playing some chess.
imagine that, if it wasn't even bin larden. lol, he get's accused. yep! it's me and he becomes a hero.
Originally posted by cashthetrashPalestine is reason enough for many Muslims to think the US, in its self-proclaimed role of 'international cop', isn't playing fair. That's being going on since the 60s.
I know there are real problems with 'Terrorism'. But something must be causing them to to want to fight us. What is it? What is the rest of the story?