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Originally posted by SuzianneI think you may be right about that, but at the same time, society has to
It helps to remember that the job of giving us values to carry through life is not the job of the school system, or society at large, but the job of our parents. If we're lucky, they do their job well, instilling virtues and values in us, whether we want to learn them or not. Often, this means sneaking them under our brainwash radar in the form of stories ...[text shortened]... tories we all heard as kids. Thank goodness most of our parents actually did a good job of it.
give children all the options (in my opinion). For instance, if my parents
are devoted Christians and wishes to teach me their values and beliefs,
there's nothing wrong with that. But at the same time, I must be allowed
to explore and learn about all other ideologies and options that are
available, and moreover be encouraged to use my own creativity and
understanding of things to make up my own mind about right and wrong
when I'm old enough to understand them. A society driven by mindless
drones who's been taught to be a certain way and oppose all others is
doomed to go under. Or so I believe.
Which is why I'm not sure if I should be happy or grumpy about
obviously having been taught things on such a fundamental level that I
can hardly imagine myself having any other values than the ones I have.
🙄
I was never really given the choice, as a child, to be the commie or the
anarchist.
If that made any sense at all. 😕
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Originally posted by NordlysThere are other stories of Astrid that reached outside Sweden? Oh,
Pippi Langstrumpf! Of course! I think the first "real" book (i.e. not a picture book or a book with very little text) I read all on my own was a Pippi book. We had several other books by Astrid Lindgren, too. I liked most of them a lot.
please tell me you've read my all time favourite: Emil i lönneberga
(whatever it can be called in English - or German).
It's a little kid that always makes trouble for his father. The one story
that doesn't really teach anything but the value of not always following
the lead of others (even the biggest of authorities) but to dare take your
own path and possibly fail (and take the consequences).
Again, when I was a kid I never realised what the stories was really all
about. I just had a good laugh at them. 😕
Originally posted by stockenHowever, some believe that perhaps you were given those choices in your past lives, and you are experiencing this life, with the upbringing you have had, now, so that you might have the full experience of all these choices. Speaking from a karmic perspective, that is.
I was never really given the choice, as a child, to be the commie or the anarchist.
Like I said, some people believe this. Definitely not all.
😀
Originally posted by stockenWe didn't have any Emil books at home as far as I can remember, but we read at least one Emil story in school. He's very popular here in Norway. Great stuff to give children with ADHD a positive self image. 🙂
There are other stories of Astrid that reached outside Sweden? Oh,
please tell me you've read my all time favourite: Emil i lönneberga
(whatever it can be called in English - or German).
It's a little kid that always makes trouble for his father. The one story
that doesn't really teach anything but the value of not always following
the lead of oth ...[text shortened]... I never realised what the stories was really all
about. I just had a good laugh at them. 😕
I read some of the "Lotta" books, "Madita" ("Madicken" in Swedish), "Die Brüder Löwenherz" (Bröderna Lejonhjärta), "Wir Kinder aus Bullerbü" (Alla vi barn i Bullerbyn) and at least one more "Bullerbü" book, "Ferien auf Saltkrokan" (Vi på Saltkråkan), "Ronja Räubertochter" (Ronja rövardotter; I also have a niece called Ronja 🙂), and probably some others.
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Originally posted by stockenI'm forever bitter about having been brainwashed with the christian frame of mind by the society. I have never believed in any of it. in fact, one of my earliest memories is from the age of two, when I thought it was just stupid that my mom tried to get me to pray for, what I regarded as an imaginary character. still, not ever believing in god (or anything else supernatural) hasn't saved me from experiencing various feelings of guilt tied to the whole social phenomenom of christian faith. how sick is that? -those things have been forced into me, mostly in school, and I can never get rid of them completely. I've always been very conscious about the whole thing, but it just never made any difference. the stuff is there, deep in my brain, and I can't get rid of it.
For instance, if my parents
are devoted Christians and wishes to teach me their values and beliefs,
there's nothing wrong with that.
that said, I don't suppose there's any way to prevent that in a society dominantly tied with any particular ideology, but I still don't like the fact that I'm not able to decide if that kind stuff should stay with me.
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Originally posted by Nordlys😲
I read some of the "Lotta" books, "Madita" ("Madicken" in Swedish), "Die Brüder Löwenherz" (Bröderna Lejonhjärta), "Wir Kinder aus Bullerbü" (Alla a rövardotter; I also have a niece called Ronja 🙂), and probably some others.
You've brought tears of nostalgia to my eyes! I love all of those stories,
but especially Bröderna Lejonhjärta and Ronja Rövardotter. There were
films made on those books and seeing those made me want to read the
books (this is about the same time I discovered that, although more
time consuming, books are much more worthwhile than films - to me,
anyway).
Thank you for reminding me. My whole chest is filled with childish joy
right now.
🙂
Originally posted by Nordlysmy first name is a finnish variant of 'emil', and 'emil i lönneberga' is the 'joke' I get every time people find out my name. it's been pretty fitting though, as I looked just like him as a kid, and was pretty hyperactive. getting older, my hair has turned almost black from the original blond, and I'm a lot more calm, but the joke never goes away... and the funny thing is, everybody invariably think they're the first one ever to make the connection. 😞
We didn't have any Emil books at home as far as I can remember, but we read at least one Emil story in school. He's very popular here in Norway. Great stuff to give children with ADHD a positive self image. 🙂
Originally posted by stocken🙂 "Die Brüder Löwenherz" was probably my favourite. I read "Ronja Räubertochter" very late, when I was almost an adult. Still liked it, but it might have had more of an impact if I had read it earlier. I haven't seen the films.
😲
You've brought tears of nostalgia to my eyes! I love all of those stories,
but especially Bröderna Lejonhjärta and Ronja Rövardotter. There were
films made on those books and seeing those made me want to read the
books (this is about the same time I discovered that, although more
time consuming, books are much more worthwhile than films - to me ...[text shortened]... .
Thank you for reminding me. My whole chest is filled with childish joy
right now.
🙂
Originally posted by SuzianneIt would be nice if there really is a larger, cosmic and concious perspective
However, some believe that perhaps you were given those choices in your past lives, and you are experiencing this life, with the upbringing you have had, now, so that you might have the full experience of all these choices. Speaking from a karmic perspective, that is.
Like I said, some people believe this. Definitely not all.
😀
to our petty lives that would explain all those things that doesn't make any
sense in the here and now. Until I find out I'll remain a sceptic though. 😉
Originally posted by NordlysI can think of no better use for any book than to encourage a more
We didn't have any Emil books at home as far as I can remember, but we read at least one Emil story in school. He's very popular here in Norway. Great stuff to give children with ADHD a positive self image. 🙂
positive self image. Well, if the book can also help us understand more
about the world around us and to deal with it, great! 🙂
