@athousandyoung saiddon henley, the eagles
I've never seen the drummer be the lead singer before.
this is the end of yer innocence
@handyandy saidI think this thread has wandered into one of the most complicated issues around which probably deserves its own thread.
I never acquired a sense of humor for racism. Is it fun?
There was (in my opinion) an excellent episode of Fawlty Towers where the guests are German. The joke is as ever at Basil's expense; satirising small minded people who would perceive all Germans as Nazis. I thought it was great, but the next day some particularly thick and somewhat scary kids at my school could be seen enjoying goose stepping and clearly seeing the episode as a celebration of Basil's stance and not as satire.
Most sayings have lost sight of their origins. It's interesting to research the origins of frequently used expressions e.g. calling something a damp squib.
So my point is that 'the pot calling the kettle black' may well have an origin that isn't racist. Like asking why are you saying I am covered in soot when you clearly are yourself? But, if it's origins are now forgotten and it gets heard as calling somebody black as a slur why perpetuate it?
In my opinion you perpetuate the Fawlty Towers episode because it is fantastic satire which should not be lost just because some people see it differently. Does the same apply to handed down sayings?
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@petewxyz saidSatire is an effective way of holding a dusky mirror up into the face of a complacent society.
I think this thread has wandered into one of the most complicated issues around which probably deserves its own thread.
There was (in my opinion) an excellent episode of Fawlty Towers where the guests are German. The joke is as ever at Basil's expense; satirising small minded people who would perceive all Germans as Nazis. I thought it was great, but the next day some par ...[text shortened]... not be lost just because some people see it differently. Does the same apply to handed down sayings?
Distilled and exaggerated forms of this can exist as clichés.
@petewxyz saidI think you are right. It deserves its own thread.
I think this thread has wandered into one of the most complicated issues around which probably deserves its own thread.
@wolfe63 saidThe problem with satire is that some do not "get it".
Satire is an effective way of holding a dusky mirror up into the face of a complacent society.
And that small minority who do not "get it" may
see the satire as reinforcement of their bigotry.
I'm unsure as to an answer.
@handyandy saidWhat have you done in your life to try and help STOP racism?
I never acquired a sense of humor for racism. Is it fun?
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