Originally posted by XanthosNZThat's exactly why they should prove it to us. BECAUSE i'm debating on spending my money on them. They certainly had no problem banning someone who HAS paid. Why bother releasing the names of the people suspended then?
Why should the game mods have to prove anything to you of all people? You're not even a subscriber.
They've proved it to Russ, the creator of the site and the one who takes the major hit if it's wrong.
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No problem? Have you not read that THIS was the result of LOTS of work?
Russ (the owner) is the hardest person to convince. There is NO WAY he would ban somebody (let alone a subscriber) without a very high burden of proof.
I'd say you have nothing to worry about, unless you start using an engine all of a sudden.
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Originally posted by ZorinMaybe, but only after the fact. And you can't change the decision.
definitely not from a official point of view but wouldn't you agree I have the right to make my own judgement for my own personal belief?
There are many situations in our court system where evidence is not publicly made known until after a trial is complete.
There are also many situations where evidence is never made known at all - eg where public knowledge of the details of a crime would enable other people to commit the same crime undetected.
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Originally posted by ZorinThen spend hours of your own time and research. Come to your own conclusions. All of IM31's games are available via his profile or searching through public games.
definitely not from a official point of view but wouldn't you agree I have the right to make my own judgement for my own personal belief?
There is absolutely no good reason for the mods to release their methods and tools.
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Originally posted by orfeoHmm. Yeah I would definitely have to say that is a valid point Orfeo. I just don't think the general population of RHP wants to go out of their way to cheat on a web based chess community. But regardless I do see the the point on how it opens up the opportunity.
Maybe, but only after the fact. And you can't change the decision.
There are many situations in our court system where evidence is not publicly made known until after a trial is complete.
There are also many situations where evidence is never made known at all - eg where public knowledge of the details of a crime would enable other people to commit the same crime undetected.
Originally posted by tmetzlerkeep up the good work, thanks
Then spend hours of your own time and research. Come to your own conclusions. All of IM31's games are available via his profile or searching through public games.
There is absolutely no good reason for the mods to release their methods and tools.
--tmetzler
Im actually thinking about entering tournament now that there's a reasonable chance of not having to play against engines.
Originally posted by ZorinYes, and that has been done.
gatecrasher what is the purpose of evidence? Isn't it to prove guilt or innoncence?
But you must make a distinction between source data, most of which is freely available to everyone on RHP, and evidence, which is how that data is processed in order to reach a conclusion.
Each of the four game mods and Russ reviewed all the evidence in all five cases and reached the unanimous conclusion that there was overwhelming evidence of cheating - beyond any reasonable doubt. In other words, 100% certainty that cheating had indeed occured. Anything less than that would have been insufficient.
Originally posted by ZorinWe're not talking about the general population, any more than criminals are the general population. We're talking about a small percentage of people with sociopathic tendencies who would rather get their own way than play by RHP's, or society's rules and thereby try to make life poorer for the rest of us.
Hmm. Yeah I would definitely have to say that is a valid point Orfeo. I just don't think the general population of RHP wants to go out of their way to cheat on a web based chess community. But regardless I do see the the point on how it opens up the opportunity.
I don't have an alarm in my house because I think every Tom Dick and Harry is going to try to break in as they walk past.
Originally posted by tmetzlerI wasn't asking for method's and tools. I was asking for evidence. Let's go back to the murder trial reference. If we were to use DNA evidence in the trial it would be the DNA evidence we are analyzing not how the CSI obtained the DNA. I was asking for what did they find to determine these people were cheaters. I asked about Fritz and what it is.
Then spend hours of your own time and research. Come to your own conclusions. All of IM31's games are available via his profile or searching through public games.
There is absolutely no good reason for the mods to release their methods and tools.
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Originally posted by frogstompThanks on behalf of the whole team.
keep up the good work, thanks
Im actually thinking about entering tournament now that there's a reasonable chance of not having to play against engines.
I want to remind people that we rely on YOU ALL for suspects. We are not running around looking for cheaters on our own. Please feel free to PM any of the game mods with evidence/suspicions.
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Originally posted by Zorinwww.chessbase.com
I wasn't asking for method's and tools. I was asking for evidence. Let's go back to the murder trial reference. If we were to use DNA evidence in the trial it would be the DNA evidence we are analyzing not how the CSI obtained the DNA. I was asking for what did they find to determine these people were cheaters. I asked about Fritz and what it is.