Originally posted by ZorinYou have the right to make your own judgment. You don't have the right to see evidence IF it may make the job of stopping engine use harder. If you were a subscriber, I would show you my analysis of my games with IM where he matched up 93% with an engine (and probably not even the engine he used). I think the evidence I alone had, just by analyzing these games and others was "overwhelming"; whatever more the Game Mods had must have made it beyond any reasonable doubt.
definitely not from a official point of view but wouldn't you agree I have the right to make my own judgement for my own personal belief?
Originally posted by orfeoOk..great Orfeo that's why I said "But regardless I do see the the point on how it opens up the opportunity."
We're not talking about the general population, any more than criminals are the general population. We're talking about a small percentage of people with sociopathic tendencies who would rather get their own way than play by RHP's, or society's rules and thereby try to make life poorer for the rest of us.
I don't have an alarm in my house because I think every Tom Dick and Harry is going to try to break in as they walk past.
Originally posted by no1marauderThat is exactly what I was curious about and asking for. I said in my post I did not believe RHP went ahead and just suspended paying member's accounts just because they wanted to.
You have the right to make your own judgment. You don't have the right to see evidence IF it may make the job of stopping engine use harder. If you were a subscriber, I would show you my analysis of my games with IM where he matched up 93% with an engine (and probably not even the engine he used). I think the evidence I alone had, just by analyzing thes ...[text shortened]... "overwhelming"; whatever more the Game Mods had must have made it beyond any reasonable doubt.
Incidentally
I plan on being a paying member very soon. Ask Chris.
Originally posted by ZorinI did not mean to be part of the "subscriber/non-subscriber" nonsense; I meant that my game analyses is in my clan's private forum which is only accessible to subscribers. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
That is exactly what I was curious about and asking for. I said in my post I did not believe RHP went ahead and just suspended paying member's accounts just because they wanted to.
Incidentally
I plan on being a paying member very soon. Ask Chris.
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Originally posted by GatecrasherRuss would definitely tip his hand if he revealed all his methods,
Why? That evidence belongs Russ, who owns this business. Based on this evidence, he has lost paying clients, and refunded their subs, and faced an inevitable barage of criticism.
But he has had the guts to carry out the plan that RHP voted on and overwhelmingly approved late last year. He has done it for the benefit of every honest chess player at RH ...[text shortened]... will DEFINTELY NOT be for the benefit of those who have been banned. I can assure you of that.
cheaters WOULD use it to try to defeat the detection scheme.
Anyway, its pretty clear what he did, the moves IM made match to
an extraordinary degree the moves predicted by shredder or fritz
or whatever. Another point made is that the games that lasted
40 50 moves point out another possibility: both parties using
progs. If anyone here had a FIDE rating of 2200, and played fritz, he would
get creamed pretty quickly, 25, 30 moves. And that is a real master.
You go 40 or 50 moves against fritz or shredder, you more than
likely are using a prog too.
Originally posted by sonhouseThis is simply not true; an experienced strong player on a correspondence site isn't going to get mated in 25 moves by an engine on a regular basis. He might draw against it or he might miscalculate in difficult positions and lose some material, but this idea that some people have that anybody who lasts 40 moves against an engine must also be an engine is absurd.
Russ would definitely tip his hand if he revealed all his methods,
cheaters WOULD use it to try to defeat the detection scheme.
Anyway, its pretty clear what he did, the moves IM made match to
an extraordinary degree the moves predicted by shredder or fritz
or whatever. Another point made is that the games that lasted
40 50 moves point out another po ...[text shortened]... r.
You go 40 or 50 moves against fritz or shredder, you more than
likely are using a prog too.
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Originally posted by no1marauderYou are 100% right, Num One.
This is simply not true; an experienced strong player on a correspondence site isn't going to get mated in 25 moves by an engine on a regular basis. He might draw against it or he might miscalculate in difficult positions and lose some material, but this idea that some people have that anybody who lasts 40 moves against an engine must also be an engine is absurd.
But also, as a view from another point... thinking 7 or 28 days on a move is not going to give you the same move the best chess engines come up with either. Chess engines have their own styles. CM, Fritz, Crafty, Jr. all might come up with different moves, where a human would come up with yet another. The best humans.
So, if you can last in a game... it does not mean you are a cheat.... but if your moves tend to match over and over with these engines... chances are you MIGHT CHEAT. More work is looked into, and from there conclusions are made... and they Never come quick. Ask any user who ever sent in evidence, or a complaint.
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