11 Dec 03
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Originally posted by Acolytei don't think you meant to direct this question to veggies necessarily. just because one is vegetarian does not mean that they are in the least bit concerned about animal welfare or animal rights. many vegetarians are the way they are because of the enormous nutritional benefits the 'diet' offers. i was of that group in the 70s and 80s - completely oblivious to the environmental or ethical issues.
Suppose a relative of yours dies, and you inherit his battery farm, in which hundreds of chickens are kept in horribly cramped conditions. What would you do with it?
to answer your question is obviously difficult as stated since we have no idea what resources are available. for instance, in situations like these varg's idea can be implemented depending on the space. it is unlikely that these chickens will live anywhere close to their normal 10 yr lifespan so space would only be an immediate though not a long term issue. as a result, it is often possible to ship those who couldn't be kept in the present place to farm sanctuaries or even regular small farms where they would be allowed to lead a reasonable life. sometimes, people will take them as pets if they can.
of course, chances are good that there will be enough space even on a battery farm to house most of the birds so that is probably the most viable solution. to help finance this sort of thing one can fund raise on it's behalf or even charge a small fee to 'visit a sanctuary for chickens' - there will be support, because generally humans like to see kindness extended to animals.
and yes you can finance some of this by selling the 'free range' eggs, because there are still plenty of people around who will actually eat that sort of thing 🙄
in friendship,
prad
12 Dec 03
Originally posted by AcolyteAny plan would have to be cleared with their ruler first, of course.
Suppose a relative of yours dies, and you inherit his battery farm, in which hundreds of chickens are kept in horribly cramped conditions. What would you do with it?
I strenuously object to the KFC idea 🙂.
12 Dec 03
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Originally posted by royalchickenya, but you are biased anyway. royally biased admittedly though.
Any plan would have to be cleared with their ruler first, of course.
I strenuously object to the KFC idea 🙂.
btw, the colonel sanders story is actually somewhat heroic on a personal level. from what i remember reading, he used to run a restaurant that went out of business when there was an overpass built near it. people just wouldn't show up and he went out of business. i think he was 65 or older then. rather than throwing in the towel, he took his chicken recipe and went 'door to door' trying to get someone to sponsor him. with very little money to spare, he used to sleep in his car during these road trips. finally, he found a sponsor and the franchise was started.
in friendship,
prad
ps colin are you getting us to generate these monetarily viable ideas for you because an inheritance has actually come through and you are in the process of compiling a business plan?
12 Dec 03
back to the original theme, i see it as (depressing but) interesting if you assume:
The chickens can only be kept alive in their present state.
Their is no space and no money and no other way to change this. The same food and the same conditions are the only option..
Do you kill them and bury them in a mass grave like a nazi would a jew? or do you let them stay there feeding people as they are.
I have no answer just a question.
12 Dec 03
Originally posted by flexmorethis is a 'kobashi maru' test question where the conditions have been created and there are only 2 answers offered. however, as mad cowan stated there are always other possibilities and as bigg suggested, if our primary interest is for the chickens, we will look for a solution based on those intentions.
I have no answer just a question.
similar situations often occur in refugee camps when the food supply runs low. ironically, the marine line of 'women and children first' doesn't materialize. in these situations, left to themselves, the women and children often get what's leftover which is sometimes nothing. so what do you do? again it looks like a 'kobashi maru' situation, but there are other solutions and greed doesn't need to be the guiding principle even in these horrendous conditions.
there was a beautiful line in the movie Starman in which the alien said, 'What we admire most about your species is that you are at your best when things are at their worst'. that may not answer this 'kobashi maru', but there will always be people who will try to aspire to reprogram the computer 😉
in friendship,
prad