Originally posted by neonpeon41I had all but forgotten about Alomar. I hope he NEVER gets in--he spit on that umpire. If anything should get one banned from a sport, it's that.
Class of '09--I think Rickey Henderson is in right away. David Cone will be in but will have to wait. Mark Grace is a long shot.
Class of '10--Roberto Alomar and Edgar Martinez will have to wait. Fred McGriff is a long shot.
Class of '11--Jeff Bagwell and Larry Walker will have to wait. Palmeiro is a dead duck. (See McGwire's voting the past few ye ...[text shortened]... ds and Clemens will be eligible. Craig Biggio will wait a while if he's in at all.
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Originally posted by neonpeon41Henderson's a lock. Craig Biggio, too, 3000 hits gets you in, period.
Class of '09--I think Rickey Henderson is in right away. David Cone will be in but will have to wait. Mark Grace is a long shot.
Class of '10--Roberto Alomar and Edgar Martinez will have to wait. Fred McGriff is a long shot.
Class of '11--Jeff Bagwell and Larry Walker will have to wait. Palmeiro is a dead duck. (See McGwire's voting the past few ye ...[text shortened]... ds and Clemens will be eligible. Craig Biggio will wait a while if he's in at all.
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After that, I think Alomar deserves it; a .300 lifetime hitter with a ton of Gold Gloves and All-Star appearances.
McGriff and Bagwell are iffy, though I think they deserve it. The steroid era nonsense will hurt both though my recollection is that "Crime Dog" has never been linked to any charges.
Walker's got a .313 lifetime batting average, but that's certainly inflated by his years in Colorado. He won't make it. Neither will Mark Grace who's numbers don't jump at you and who played in relative obscurity.
Cone has only 194 wins; he won't make it.
I believe Palmeiro is dead because of his Congressional testimony and later testing positive. In this atmosphere, I don't think Bonds or Clemens will make it either, though things might have cooled down by 2013.
Originally posted by dryhumpI think it sort of is a joke. There are other great defensive shortstops like Omar Visquel who had better offensive numbers but won't even come close because they did not do backflips.
[b]What did everyone think of Ozzie Smith being inducted first ballot?[
Originally posted by badmoonAfter Honus Wagner, you may be right there. Of course, I'll have to rethink all my all-time all-star teams when A-Rod/Jeter/Garciaperra/Tejeda and all the other power-hitting ss's retire.
When I've put together all time great rosters, Ozzie gets a real look as the starter or backup SS>
