Originally posted by hopscotchLive in Australia and you'll understand. Because of problems with alcohol, petrol sniffing etc. there are some people here who like to think all Aboriginal people are like that, hence, my use of the word stereotype.
Why is everyone jumping to conclusions and making weird deductions, huck? What is happening to this place? I can't even post a simple url to a news article any more.
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As you had said "your culture" i was merely pointing out it is not a part of culture. I skimmed the article but didn't read it in detail. If it said it was a part of culture, then yes it was wrong. If there was no reference to culture, and just social ills, then yes that's a problem in a lot of communities.
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Originally posted by chrissybDisclaimer: I really don't want to get into an argument over this...
As you had said "your culture" i was merely pointing out it is not a part of culture. I skimmed the article but didn't read it in detail. If it said it was a part of culture, then yes it was wrong. If there was no reference to culture, and just social ills, then yes that's a problem in a lot of communities.
Aboriginal cultural beliefs imply that if something makes you feel good then you should do it, which is why drinking and petrol sniffing became such a big problem.
Quotes from the book Consciousness and Cognition: Fragments of Mind and Brain by Henri Cohen and Brigitte Stemmer include descriptions from Aboriginals of what it feels like to be high from sniffing petrol, including hallucinations and "seeing pictures" and "Dreaming" which is of cultural significance.
Even though petrol sniffing has only been a blight on the aboriginals for about 40 years now it has, in a twisted and sad way, become a part of the culture for some foolish enough to use it for Dreaming and they gather in groups to do so.
(somewhat related recent news story: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/16/2599784.htm )
Originally posted by Elamef37You wouldn't like it - it's sooooooooooooooo racist with black men in chains and everything!
I'm glad you recognise, I'm smarter than you. Thank you 🙂
Just know, you are not dumb, okay.
You mightn't be very bright sometimes, but you're certainly not dumb. 😉
Nah, haven't seen it yet, too much Footy and Cricket happening. You'll be the first to know though 😵
Originally posted by no1marauderWouldn't bearing a golden halo be considered racist in nature too? I mean, it is just a short distance between the chain around Kunta's neck and the halo above your head.
You wouldn't like it - it's sooooooooooooooo racist with black men in chains and everything!
Originally posted by hopscotchSubstance abuse is a part of just about every culture, but cultures abuse substances differently. The dop system is a case in point: a cultural pattern of alcoholism limited, as far as I know, to the Western Cape.
Even though petrol sniffing has only been a blight on the aboriginals for about 40 years now it has, in a twisted and sad way, become a part of the culture for some foolish enough to use it for Dreaming and they gather in groups to do so.
(somewhat related recent news story: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/16/2599784.htm )
Originally posted by chrissybIt's okay Chrissy, it'll all get resolved anyway. Dempla womba!
Live in Australia and you'll understand. Because of problems with alcohol, petrol sniffing etc. there are some people here who like to think all Aboriginal people are like that, hence, my use of the word stereotype.
As you had said "your culture" i was merely pointing out it is not a part of culture. I skimmed the article but didn't read it in detail. ...[text shortened]... erence to culture, and just social ills, then yes that's a problem in a lot of communities.
Originally posted by Bosse de Nagehere in finland the finnish speaking finns drink much more and much heavier than the swedish speaking finns. the drinking culture is strikingly different, and yet there are no genetic difference between the two groups. it's definitely a cultural thing.
Substance abuse is a part of just about every culture, but cultures abuse substances differently. The dop system is a case in point: a cultural pattern of alcoholism limited, as far as I know, to the Western Cape.
Originally posted by wormwoodI'd imagine a Swedish-speaking Finn would have little to live for 😛
here in finland the finnish speaking finns drink much more and much heavier than the swedish speaking finns. the drinking culture is strikingly different, and yet there are no genetic difference between the two groups. it's definitely a cultural thing.
Originally posted by Bosse de Nageactually they're the upper class minority, and we're the vulgar masses. 🙂 even their life-expectancy is a couple of years longer, and it hasn't been connected to neither drinkin nor genetics.
I'd imagine a Swedish-speaking Finn would have little to live for 😛
maybe their lives are just so dull even time slows down for them.
Originally posted by hopscotchNot a problem.
Disclaimer: I really don't want to get into an argument over this...
Aboriginal cultural beliefs imply that if something makes you feel good then you should do it, which is why drinking and petrol sniffing became such a big problem.
Quotes from the book Consciousness and Cognition: Fragments of Mind and Brain by Henri Cohen and Brigitte Stemme ...[text shortened]... culture for some foolish enough to use it for Dreaming and they gather in groups to do so.
I have heard some academics refer to it as sub-culture. I've never read books along those lines so can't comment. At times it can be perceived in the media as if it were the whole or a majority of the population in the community that are drinking or sniffing petrol, but until you actually visit communities, there are many occasions where this is not the case.
When you talk about Aboriginal culture you're referring to such things as kinship, dreaming, totems, relationships, identity, language etc. which was connected to the land. In many instances that has been eroded, due to events in history, but it is still strong in some areas; particularly remote areas. Where culture is maintained there are restrictions that doesn't allow a person to do what they like, if it makes them feel good. But where there is a breakdown of culture then people will no doubt be doing things they shouldn't be.
I doubt it is linked to Aboriginal cultural beliefs, for a lot of reasons but that discussion is for another time and place. There is enough evidence, including medical evidence, which links it to social issues. There is also enough evidence out there that suggests people (incl. Aboriginal people) engage in substance abuse to escape from their situation.
I'm babbling on. But context is very important and the definition of culture within that context helps a lot too.
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Originally posted by chrissybthis was no babble. wormwood approves, and no seals were harmed in the process. more posts like this, and less of the retarded "ur a racist! no, UR a racist!" -posts. more content, less crap.
Not a problem.
I have heard some academics refer to it as sub-culture. I've never read books along those lines so can't comment. At times it can be perceived in the media as if it were the whole or a majority of the population in the community that are drinking or sniffing petrol, but until you actually visit communities, there are many occasions where ntext is very important and the definition of culture within that context helps a lot too.